DenverSpur
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In 2 of the last 3 years we've lost to Arse*** and WHU at home in the League Cup and in between lost to Chelsea in The FA Cup. Not sure he will learn
Tottenham vs West Ham: League Cup Match Thread
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ClintEastwould
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Meh.
Annoyed because its west ham and they will be insufferable but largely unbothered. Second string squad in second gear in a second class cup right in the middle of our toughest month of the season. This was the one match in the larger scheme of things that was slightly dispensiable. Even if we would have won this trophy, it would not have been enough for this squad. We are aiming higher.
Annoyed because its west ham and they will be insufferable but largely unbothered. Second string squad in second gear in a second class cup right in the middle of our toughest month of the season. This was the one match in the larger scheme of things that was slightly dispensiable. Even if we would have won this trophy, it would not have been enough for this squad. We are aiming higher.
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DenverSpur
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Hate too keep bringing this up but apart from one hit wonders, Blackburn and Leicester, every team that has won the EPL has won a domestic cup(mostly the League Cup) either the year before or the same year. Even Don Revie's Leeds all those years ago only won the league(68/69) after winning the League Cup the year before(67/68) and that was after coming runners up in the league 2 years in a row( 64/65, 65/66). Winning (trophies) is a habit and sometimes you just have to start somewhere.
Gaz_Gammon
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What "brand" are we trying to build with a dishonest footballer and a basketball player who has been cited in a divorce case because he was accused of sexual assault?
Fox News:
Maradona was wheeled in only because he is buddies with Ardiles and Poch, i mean he's hardly likely to go down a bundle with the British public now is he.
"good brand building" my arse as Jim Royle would say.
Bobbins
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Are we?
Why? Have we suddenly won loads of trophies in the past few years I missed? Why exactly is the League Cup, a trophy Jose makes a point of winning as often as he can, not good enough for us? It seems to be good enough for the other top six sides to want to win.
For what? The CL? We're not realistically going to win that, are we? The League? Again it's highly unlikely we're going to win that, isn't it? A possibility, of course, but in reality highly unlikely.
So what are we aiming for, exactly, that means we're not bothered about winning a domestic trophy - one you only need to win five or six games to get? Top four? The FA Cup (ha! We show that even less respect)? Wins in London derbies (but tonight we lost to- balls)?
I'm yet to figure out what so many people think are our realistic targets now that we're too good for the domestic cups. It must be something special since our rivals in the top six are all very happy to be winning domestic cups, so I'm assuming we must be the secret Earth Team for the Intergalactic Finals or something, right?
ClintEastwould
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I'm not expecting us to win the league or champions league, but we certainly have a chance in both of we concentrate. We are in the midst of a huge month that could decide both of these campaigns for us. I'd rather sacrifice this game in terms of personnel and effort and make sure we are rested and prepared for the others.
Idk. I think this group would only feel true glory if they did the PL or CL. I'm not convinced they are devastated about tonight. That may or may not be the right mentality but I get it and agree myself.
guiltyparty
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Most of this group will leave even if we win one of those acceptable trophies as we still won't pay them what they can get elsewhere. Need to not be terrified of the inevitable. Sacrificing possible silverware at the altar of keeping them sated, though, is short changing the fans and likely to backfire spectacularly.
sparx100
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A second string squad?
Toby, Trippier, Davies, Rose, Dier, Alli and Son all first team regulars with Sissoko also playing who has played a lot more this season.
When we lose let's at least have the decency to acknowledge that we lost becuase we lost concentration and drive in the second half and not blame it on the selection. That team selection was good enough and showed it by being 2-0 up at half time.
We lost because West Ham got a rocket up there arse at half time and we relaxed and decided to coast - no other reason. Lets give West ham credit rather than use excuses.
You say we are aiming higher, realistically do you think we will win the champions league? The league? Do you think that our players thought "its just the league cup"?
As a club we have not won anything since 2008. Prior to that 1999 and prior to that 1991. Is that good enough?
A trophy shows progress, and no i dont expect a first choice 11 for every game, but for people lauding the squad depth for the games against Madrid and Liverpool to now shrug their shoulders and say its a second class cup and a second string squad frustrates the hell out of me.
Winning breeds a winning mentality. Trophies keep players interested and it shows progression. Being nearly men is not a tag i want out club to be branded as.
Sadly walloping teams like Liverpool and getting a draw out of Real Madrid - are great results and good to gloat over etc etc. As is topping the league if it was run over two consecutive seasons.........But it's never going to be good enough unless Poch delivers some Silverware or an end product - Losing last night can only be forgotten about "if" we win something this year, we have to win something this time round imo.
spurs_girl_tasha
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I'm still fucking angry.
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I find it hard to just brush it off. Winning the league cup isn't automatically a springboard to further success but it would be nice for Poch to win a trophy so people can stop going on about it. It would also be nice for us as fans to have something tangible to cheer about. It was obviously a changed team but in this case, it was all going swimmingly. It wouldn't have been so bad if West Ham/A N other than team had us on the back foot from the word go but this is a bit annoying. Hey ho, I guess it's on to the Man U game.
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SpursDave88
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We are more likely to win the league than the carabao cup. Statistically speaking since over the course of a season we generally average enough points to do so, given that we are one of the best teams in the country.
Most people think our realistic target is the PL title. That is what they want at it is only that or the CL that constitutes genuine success in modern football as demonstrated by Arsenals disaffection with Wenger despite their FA cup successes. Whether or not Spurs have won a trophy recently is basically irrelevant to the discussion. Everyone knows the real barometers of success in football, and if a player won the league cup every year for their entire career, they would not be considered highly decorated.
DEFchenkOE
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More likely to win the league than win 3 games in a cup competition? You sure about that?
The way that some fans are brushing off this defeat shows complete arrogance for a club that has no right to be arrogant.
Leicester
Swansea
Birmingham
Portsmouth
Wigan
All the above have won a trophy since we last did, that's embarrassing for a club like ours. Poch saying the trophy is not a priority is the wrong thing to say. It automatically puts that idea in the players heads that the game has less importance. Maybe they drop a few levels in training or don't pay as much attention when listening to instructions.. Like who is meant to be picking up the man on the edge of the box etc
It's a mentality thing. And it's been like that at this club for years. We had World class players like Bale and Modric and they won nothing, not a medal to their name while with us.
spursfan77
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Well, at least we can still play at a stadium
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...-stadium-e20-stadium-llp-bust-administration/
HAM BUSTER
West Ham’s landlords on brink of going bust – so mayor and council fight to avoid humiliation of Hammers being locked out of London Stadium
New dispute over the club's low-cost lease seems certain as the price of keeping E20 Stadium LLP out of administration is likely to be MORE public funding on top of hundreds of millions
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...-stadium-e20-stadium-llp-bust-administration/
HAM BUSTER
West Ham’s landlords on brink of going bust – so mayor and council fight to avoid humiliation of Hammers being locked out of London Stadium
New dispute over the club's low-cost lease seems certain as the price of keeping E20 Stadium LLP out of administration is likely to be MORE public funding on top of hundreds of millions
Edgarsglasses
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Really gutted are best chance of a major trophy has gone.
Can't believe we played last 10 mins or so with no main striker!
Poch needs a trophy this year big time with only the FA Cup our best chance now of getting one.
Can't believe we played last 10 mins or so with no main striker!
Poch needs a trophy this year big time with only the FA Cup our best chance now of getting one.
Graysonti
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Why does he need a trophy ?
He is doing a great job and a loss in the Mouse Cup dont chang that.
This was our lowest priority as we are competing for the league and CL. We could always come out of them and do a Ramos.
guiltyparty
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That's garbage, just on the amount of times we've won the league cup in the last 50 years (4) compared to the amount of times we've won the league in the same time (zero). Throw in that you can effectively win 5 games and win the league cup and it's not just garbage, it's stinky garbage
Christ, when I was growing up we were the FA Cup team. 91 it was a given: we win the cup when the year ends in 1, and we bloody did. That's a fantastic thing to have, other teams expected us to win and they were right.
Now? People expect us to get knocked out of all the cups, play nice football then not win the league, and they're right, that's what we do. We've given up one good routine and omen before we've grasped another.
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guiltyparty
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Because he's never won anything in his near-decade-long managerial career. Say what you want about Ramos but he won the UEFA Cup with a side worse than what we have.
At some point, he needs to turn competing into winning, whatever it is, otherwise you're just a fluffer. I hope he doesn't save that for another club
