Injury Updates

coys200 said:

There’s no way Poch patience will last on this. May have been more lenient because he’s an Argie.But I’d say if not back playing to decent standards by January he will be out the door.

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Wheeler Dealer said:

We are a commercial enterprise not a charity, and no commercial business can afford to pay top dollar to an employee who for a very long period cannot carry out the duties they have been employed to do and show no signs of being in a physical or mental state to return to action.

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stevenurse said:

Have we ever had a player out 'scared of playing' before?

Incredibly insensitive I'm aware, but the bloke is stealing a living now

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Lemon said:

Thank heavens you aren't his nurse then Steve.

He clearly has multiple issues, one caused by physical injury the club has been very poor at addressing. Emotional issues deeply inter-related, his brothers issues...

The club has been this way, IMO, because they are rigidly rejecting the notion that he could become unwell due to an excessively intense training regime, which leaves players prone to excessive acidic metabolic residues in tissue/joints. That same regime will also induce additional impact injuries as the players are told they must 'bring it' in training. What happens if you need outstanding electromagnetic traction in you circadian rhythm to cleanse and repair, but you then take knocks which damage your lymph and hamper the bodies ability to cycle waste out? Not rocket science is it? Explains how 'minor knocks' to Rose, Lamela now Wanyama turn into long term conditions, no?

To continually apportion blame towards Lamela like this (as Poch has repeatedly done in pressers), is surely akin to constructive dismissal and/or disability discrimination. Does anybody really believe he is 'stealing a living'? This suggests dishonesty and is pathetic IMO, my belief is that he probably only feels complete as a person when fit and playing, so wants nothing more than to recover completely.

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Trix said:

A player that is scared to get hurt again will not be 100% committed. I don't see a place for that in a Poch set up personally.

I'm a big fan of Lamela but unless things change soon I see his future elsewhere. Hope I'm wrong.

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dagraham said:

Indeed. It's like a theatre actor having mental health issues, going away for treatment, and then returning afterwards happy to continue to learn the script and rehearse every day. Except then refusing to go on stage.

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Lemon said:

To add, I'm taking my former employer to tribunal for both these things (constructive dismissal and disability discrimination) so this is a very emotive issue for me presently.

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Lemon said:

Thank heavens you aren't his nurse then Steve.

He clearly has multiple issues, one caused by physical injury the club has been very poor at addressing. Emotional issues deeply inter-related, his brothers issues...

The club has been this way, IMO, because they are rigidly rejecting the notion that he could become unwell due to an excessively intense training regime, which leaves players prone to excessive acidic metabolic residues in tissue/joints. That same regime will also induce additional impact injuries as the players are told they must 'bring it' in training. What happens if you need outstanding electromagnetic traction in you circadian rhythm to cleanse and repair, but you then take knocks which damage your lymph and hamper the bodies ability to cycle waste out? Not rocket science is it? Explains how 'minor knocks' to Rose, Lamela now Wanyama turn into long term conditions, no?

To continually apportion blame towards Lamela like this (as Poch has repeatedly done in pressers), is surely akin to constructive dismissal and/or disability discrimination. Does anybody really believe he is 'stealing a living'? This suggests dishonesty and is pathetic IMO, my belief is that he probably only feels complete as a person when fit and playing, so wants nothing more than to recover completely.

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dagraham said:

Do you not agree though that if he had a genuine mental health issue he would be signed off work?

As in not fit to train ( which is a big part of his job). Instead he’s training fine, but just doesn’t seem to want to play.

I have sympathy for him, but if that continues then it’s hard not to take the view that it’s taking the piss a bit imo.

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nicdic said:

I don't think that's the issue. The mental issue is not so much to do with being scared to get hurt again, but in reference to the current injury and whether it's fully healed.

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stevenurse said:

With all due respect, you know as little as all of us about their individual training regimes. I'm sure the club would have paid utmost importance to his circadian rhythm and I'm sure there isn't a day that goes by without them discussing his electromagnetic traction.

If he simply can't take the rigours of poch's training methods, then unfortunately he isn't going to last anyway.

He has had a horrible time both on and off the pitch in recent years, and once again, you have no idea as to what the club has/hasnt done in relation to his mental health.

I wish him all the best and hope he can get back to the form we've (intermittently) seen, as when on it, he's a key player.

He will have been given literally the best possible medical care, both in England and abroad (where I'm assuming he's more comfortable). If he wants to recover fully, and therefore heal his mental state, the club can do no more.

Hopefully his mental and physical issues have been resolved and he can be back in the matchday squads, and I wish you all the your legal case

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Trix said:

As I say both the coaching and medical teams are of the opinion he is ready and has been for a while. I know only Lamela can say if he feels 100%, but the fact is he may never get to the point where he feels how he was pre injury. If what you are saying is correct then there has to come a point where you trust the professionals, because they know this stuff inside out.

That said it's not uncommon that players who have had such long standing and difficult injuries struggle with the fact that one tackle could bring all that back again.

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SlotBadger said:

FINALLY!

I never thought I'd get to post this whilst remaining on-topic!

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Not that I ever listened to it or anything...

stevenurse said:

With all due respect, you know as little as all of us about their individual training regimes. I'm sure the club would have paid utmost importance to his circadian rhythm and I'm sure there isn't a day that goes by without them discussing his electromagnetic traction.

If he simply can't take the rigours of poch's training methods, then unfortunately he isn't going to last anyway.

He has had a horrible time both on and off the pitch in recent years, and once again, you have no idea as to what the club has/hasnt done in relation to his mental health.

I wish him all the best and hope he can get back to the form we've (intermittently) seen, as when on it, he's a key player.

He will have been given literally the best possible medical care, both in England and abroad (where I'm assuming he's more comfortable). If he wants to recover fully, and therefore heal his mental state, the club can do no more.

Hopefully his mental and physical issues have been resolved and he can be back in the matchday squads, and I wish you all the your legal case

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coys200 said:

Pretty sure circadian rhythm were big in the 80s

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Saoirse said:

I'd go as far as to say it's been strongly implied there's issues with his mental state. And disciplining employees because of their mental health issues is (rightly) illegal and in any case pretty reprehensible. For all their wealth footballers are still human beings, and when they're struggling through no fault of their own is when we most need to support them. And apart from anything else, I don't see how adding a massive slice of pressure to Lamela is actually going to help the situation at all - it's a knee-jerk response borne out of (understandable) frustration.

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stevenurse said:

With all due respect, you know as little as all of us about their individual training regimes. I'm sure the club would have paid utmost importance to his circadian rhythm and I'm sure there isn't a day that goes by without them discussing his electromagnetic traction.

If he simply can't take the rigours of poch's training methods, then unfortunately he isn't going to last anyway.

He has had a horrible time both on and off the pitch in recent years, and once again, you have no idea as to what the club has/hasnt done in relation to his mental health.

I wish him all the best and hope he can get back to the form we've (intermittently) seen, as when on it, he's a key player.

He will have been given literally the best possible medical care, both in England and abroad (where I'm assuming he's more comfortable). If he wants to recover fully, and therefore heal his mental state, the club can do no more.

Hopefully his mental and physical issues have been resolved and he can be back in the matchday squads, and I wish you all the your legal case

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midoNdefoe said:

What was his horrible time on the pitch??

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