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guiltyparty

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But they're not the only team spending money. He is competing with other billionaire clubs who are also spending big.

His predecessors struggled to create the type of football they are playing now so it clearly isn't quite as easy asmany make out it is.

I have more respect for a manager whose achievements are more connected to their coaching and management style than the quality of players they have. But lets not pretend there is no management skill to dealing with such high level egos, expectations and the pressure of being expected to win everything.

Indeed, look at the amount of managing he had to do with Aguero alone. Clearly wasn't happy, clearly was tense, clearly were a lot of meetings. That's all worked out pretty well for them.
 

Insomnia

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Fuck Man Citeh, Fuck Barlhead Pep, all I wanna know is what them ****'s in the meedja are saying about us! Is that too much to ask for in this thread?
 

mark87

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Fuck Man Citeh, Fuck Barlhead Pep, all I wanna know is what them ****'s in the meedja are saying about us! Is that too much to ask for in this thread?

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shelfboy68

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City are champions elect...but we are chief party-poopers in waiting...and the other very pretty bloody good team of the two stand-out teams in the division. It is a pity The Cult of Pep is stopping our own fans from recognising this.

Besides this is the What the pundits are saying about US thread. Could the cult of Pep people please fuck off out of every single thread in Spurs Community, over to General Football and make a, I dunno, Fapping over The Cult of Pep Fan-Boy, Fap Fap Fap, He's Not a Passive/Agressive Sneaky Tapping Our Players Up Publicly and Trying to Belittle Us ****...Fap Fap Fap Oh Pep with Your Sporty Casual Outfits Fap Fap Fap thread. Ta muchly :)


@shelfboy68 - Hi, Shelfie, I'm guessing the
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WTF!? rating is because the deliberately jokey faux confrontational format of my post has bamboozled you, somewhat. I will try again without this:
There are two standout teams in the Prem ATM, IMHO. City are one and have a clear advantage thanks to a better start and perhaps a little fortune. We are the other one, but our start has been a bit slower for a number of factors, not least of which is a bit less than average fortune. I really do think we are that good. City have a great attack, but ours is non too shabby We have a better defence and better balance. If they are champions elect, we are most likely to take advantage of any slip-ups. I really do believe we are that good. Unfortunately, a lot of our fans seem to be so focused on their admiration for Guardiola that they do not seem to see just how good we are. This thread is about what the pundits are saying about THFC (hence the title), but, like many other threads in Spurs Chat it has been taken over by discussions about how good Guardiola is. Perchance, it would be more appropriate to take yourselves over to General Chat and make a thread there for expressing your admiration of Guardiola and discussing his merits.

Or perhaps: This is a Cult of Poch forum for Cult of Poch people. There's no place for your Cult of Pep kind around here (y)
SP I gave you the rating because I disagreed with your comments and I used the rating system that is there for everyone to use like you do on occasions.
As for bamboozled me I think your rating your intellet a bit too high mate, just because I'm an average Joe poster whereas your a novelist doesn't make you superior like you often think you are.
I didn't know I was going to touch a nerve by not agreeing to your post, but in all honesty I have done nothing wrong.
All I did was just gave an opinion on the status of another club who I believe are better than my own team, that is not to say I don't think my team is not good far from it I'm proud of them and what they have achieved this far.
 

parj

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Both Graham and Ramos won trophies with other clubs. So I would have to disagree about them not being successful. And neither had as many top class players available to work with as MoPo.

And if a trophy doesn't arrive until 2 years into the new stadium, we might be waiting a fair bit longer. Do you honestly think players of the calibre that we are currently enjoying watching will be patient / as good / even here if that is the case? I'm not convinced myself.

I don't care about what Ramos and Graham achieved at other clubs. I only care about what they did at Spurs. They might have won a trophy each but does anyone here want them back in charge of Spurs?.

Realistically, if we could spend we would have. We aren't able to buy first team players of a world class calibre unless it's under the radar. The new stadium is key to cover salaries. If players leave they leave, but Poch has kept a lot of this squad together already.
 

StartingPrice

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SP I gave you the rating because I disagreed with your comments and I used the rating system that is there for everyone to use like you do on occasions.

This is the What the Pundits are saying about US thread, and, by constantly going on about just how good City are you are effectively off topic. You were derailing the thread. You had an issue with my post pointing this out even though you were derailing the thread. It really is that simple.

I didn't give a flying fuck that you gave me that rating - if you re-read my post with your spectacles of comprehension on you will note that the whole tone was one of good humour. Unfortunately that seems to have passed you by even more widely than that you are actually literally derailing the thread by talking about how fecking great City are.

You will be hard pushed to find me give negative, or even neutral, ratings because I hardly ever give them. Rarely, and I always explain why. I also don't get involved in tit-for-tat neg rating battles. Only children do that IMHO


As for bamboozled me I think your rating your intellet a bit too high mate, just because I'm an average Joe poster whereas your a novelist doesn't make you superior like you often think you are.

I don't know what an intellet is.
You think that, but I think that how people form opinions is also a function of intellect, attainment, age,strength of memory and myriad other things actually matters and attaches more value to some opinions than others. I never think I am superior. I make complex posts, exploring as many angles as possible and then draw conclusions with reference to the evidence I have presented. I express my opinion using the evidence I have utilised to form it. That is what my particular academic training allows me to do. If anyone can show how I have got any of the evidence wrong, or that my conclusions are incorrect I am more than happy for them to do so. I will alter my opinions if they do so effectively. I don't just think I am superior. Some folk just don't like me expressing my opinion because I make it in a complex way and explain how that was.


I didn't know I was going to touch a nerve by not agreeing to your post, but in all honesty I have done nothing wrong.

You didn't touch a nerve. I thought that the bit about A local Cult of Poch forum bit was quite funny. I did think that because the original post was having a laugh you missed the point that going on about how great City are (in yet another thread) was taking the thread off topic. So I decided to explain that plainly. Sadly, you still haven't understood that that was the point of the post and it is correct.


All I did was just gave an opinion on the status of another club who I believe are better than my own team,

No. No it's not. I have no issue with folk expressing their opinions. And, I have have explained in every single post that I have made on the subject in several threads, all of which you have been active in, I have no issue with anyone thinking City are better than us. I disagree that they are a country mile ahead of us, which is what some folk seem to think, but don't tell anyone they can't express that opinion. I just disagree with it and explain why.

My only issue with certain folk, and you are very prominent in this group, is that you keep on saying, repeatedly, over and over again, that they have won the league. Like it is an established fact. Like you have a time machine and have been forward to May 2018 and have seen them being presented with the trophy. I have even said several times that this is precisely and solely what bothers me. You don't know. You don't have a time machine. But you continue to express it, in several threads, as though you have been to the future and seen them being given the trophy. To me, that is simple to understand.

that is not to say I don't think my team is not good far from it I'm proud of them and what they have achieved this far.

No-one said otherwise. What I said was that some folk go on about City so much, and as though they are so far ahead of us it is ridiculous, whereas I actually think that overall we are not that far behind them. They are formidable up front, but we hardly have a shabby attacking line-up and we are better in defence and more balanced IMHO. But that is just my opinion, and you are allowed yours, whatever it is. Just so long as you don't say they have won the league when you don't have a time machine.
 

BringBack_leGin

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Both Graham and Ramos won trophies with other clubs. So I would have to disagree about them not being successful. And neither had as many top class players available to work with as MoPo.
Graham didn't want top class players, he preferred the Leonhardsen's and Sherwood's of this world to the likes of Ginola (who played well in spite of Graham, not because of him). I will never forget him, away to Kaiserslauten after a narrow first leg win, dropping Ginola and in the process inviting 90 minutes of pressure. Only our second tie in Europe in my living memory and he dropped our best player pretty much to make a point that nobody was bigger than him. I still remember the quotes from the then Kaiserslauten manager about how he changes his tactic completely when he heard Ginola wasn't starting.

As for Ramos, he inherited the following:

  • Robinson, King, Jenas, Lennon, Bent and Defoe, all current England internationals (with Dawson and Huddlestone later to be capped).
  • Robbie Keane, until recently a top 10 all time Premiership goalscorer (and still in the top 20)
  • Dimitar Berbatov, at the time the most talented and effective number 9 in the Premiership
  • Gareth Bale, then very young but clearly a wonderkid who went on to be the worlds most expensive player (and one of our best in the modern era).
  • Some very capable, albeit functional, foot soldiers (the type Pochettino loves) in Tainio, Zokora, Malbranque, YP Lee.
  • Pascal Chimbonda and Benoit Assou Ekotto.
He that January signed, for large sums by our standards:
  • Alan Hutton, Jonathan Woodgate and 35 capped Brazilian International (yes, some tongue in cheek here) Gilberto.
That summer he brought in:

  • David Bentley, for a club record fee
  • Luka Modric, an integral part of our ascent to Champions League challengers (and vital to our first time qualification in 2010).
  • Roman Pavlyuchenko, a star forward at the just passed European Championships.
  • Much vaunted Barcelona youth Giovanni Dos Santos
I am forever grateful to him for managing us to the last trophy we won, to this day it remains on of my very best Spurs memories, maybe even my best, but let's not rewrite history, he inherited a very good side, he added to a very good side and he should have been able to do better than he did after losing Keane and Berbatov because he still had the makings of a very good sign (as showed by their Champions League qualification a mere 18 months after he departed).

Yes, Pochettino has a much better collection of players available to him than either Ramos or Graham, but a lot of that is down to him too. None of us had heard of Dier when we signed him, Pochettino has turned him into an exceptional player. Same goes for Dele Alli. Kyle Walker was a good right back but very inconsistent, Pochettino made him the league's best right back. Danny Rose, well I'd have driven him to Sunderland and so would most others, Pochettino made him the league's best left back. Demebele, Vertonghen, Eriksen, all very talented, all lacked fight or commitment. Harry Kane, well most didn't rate him, I actually did but only as a useful option, and nobody foresaw him become the worlds best centre forward. Trippier, Davies, Lamela, Son, even Sissoko, the list of players who have visibly improved under Pochettino goes on. There's even arguments to be made for Wanyama and Sanchez. Only Lloris was a ready made top class top tier player when Pochettino got hold of him, and he himself believes Pochettino has improved him too. So yes, Pochettino has by far the best squad available to him of any Spurs manager, but that is in large down to him.
 

Flashspur

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This is the What the Pundits are saying about US thread, and, by constantly going on about just how good City are you are effectively off topic. You were derailing the thread. You had an issue with my post pointing this out even though you were derailing the thread. It really is that simple.

I didn't give a flying fuck that you gave me that rating - if you re-read my post with your spectacles of comprehension on you will note that the whole tone was one of good humour. Unfortunately that seems to have passed you by even more widely than that you are actually literally derailing the thread by talking about how fecking great City are.

You will be hard pushed to find me give negative, or even neutral, ratings because I hardly ever give them. Rarely, and I always explain why. I also don't get involved in tit-for-tat neg rating battles. Only children do that IMHO




I don't know what an intellet is.
You think that, but I think that how people form opinions is also a function of intellect, attainment, age,strength of memory and myriad other things actually matters and attaches more value to some opinions than others. I never think I am superior. I make complex posts, exploring as many angles as possible and then draw conclusions with reference to the evidence I have presented. I express my opinion using the evidence I have utilised to form it. That is what my particular academic training allows me to do. If anyone can show how I have got any of the evidence wrong, or that my conclusions are incorrect I am more than happy for them to do so. I will alter my opinions if they do so effectively. I don't just think I am superior. Some folk just don't like me expressing my opinion because I make it in a complex way and explain how that was.




You didn't touch a nerve. I thought that the bit about A local Cult of Poch forum bit was quite funny. I did think that because the original post was having a laugh you missed the point that going on about how great City are (in yet another thread) was taking the thread off topic. So I decided to explain that plainly. Sadly, you still haven't understood that that was the point of the post and it is correct.




No. No it's not. I have no issue with folk expressing their opinions. And, I have have explained in every single post that I have made on the subject in several threads, all of which you have been active in, I have no issue with anyone thinking City are better than us. I disagree that they are a country mile ahead of us, which is what some folk seem to think, but don't tell anyone they can't express that opinion. I just disagree with it and explain why.

My only issue with certain folk, and you are very prominent in this group, is that you keep on saying, repeatedly, over and over again, that they have won the league. Like it is an established fact. Like you have a time machine and have been forward to May 2018 and have seen them being presented with the trophy. I have even said several times that this is precisely and solely what bothers me. You don't know. You don't have a time machine. But you continue to express it, in several threads, as though you have been to the future and seen them being given the trophy. To me, that is simple to understand.



No-one said otherwise. What I said was that some folk go on about City so much, and as though they are so far ahead of us it is ridiculous, whereas I actually think that overall we are not that far behind them. They are formidable up front, but we hardly have a shabby attacking line-up and we are better in defence and more balanced IMHO. But that is just my opinion, and you are allowed yours, whatever it is. Just so long as you don't say they have won the league when you don't have a time machine.

This post is way too long as a put down/explanation/whatever...just saying :D
 

StartingPrice

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This post is way too long as a put down/explanation/whatever...just saying :D

So, all explanations should be short? Got ya (y)

It's a good job Karl Marx is dead...he'd be devastated at all that time he wasted on Das Kapital when Flashspur won't read it 'cos it's too long for his dainty heed. Shoulda just wrote "Rich people are villainous"...that would be a book for the ages!
 
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BringBack_leGin

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So, all explanations should be short? Got ya (y)

It's a good job Karl Marx is dead...he'd be devastated at all that time he wasted on Das Kapital when Flashspur won't read it 'cos it's too long for his dainty heed. Shoulda just wrote "Rich people are villainous"...that would be a book for the ages!
Lots of time for you SP, you are someone who values a reasoned and well constructed point, but it might be worth remembering on occasion that a well made point is not always the most thoroughly constructed point, but the one which helps it’s intended audience best appreciate it. In some cases lengthy and detailed, in others succinct and pointed.
 

Ionman34

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Lots of time for you SP, you are someone who values a reasoned and well constructed point, but it might be worth remembering on occasion that a well made point is not always the most thoroughly constructed point, but the one which helps it’s intended audience best appreciate it. In some cases lengthy and detailed, in others succinct and pointed.
Succinct and to the point...

Like it
 

StartingPrice

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Lots of time for you SP, you are someone who values a reasoned and well constructed point, but it might be worth remembering on occasion that a well made point is not always the most thoroughly constructed point, but the one which helps it’s intended audience best appreciate it. In some cases lengthy and detailed, in others succinct and pointed.

  • The original point, strangely, for what has ensued, was that Shelfie and friends were spamming this thread, as with others, with their Manchester City fappathon
  • They had already been told bluntly, in one line, that they were spamming the thread with their fappathon on how fantastically great Manchester City are - they ignored it
  • My original post was not that long, and intended in a startling but good humoured way to jolt them into seeing that they were spamming the thread
  • Due to Shelfie's reaction I added an addendum, still not making the post that long, explaining that they were spamming the thread, but in simpler language
  • Strangely, especially considering none of my posts were that long, it has all mutated now into berating me for writing long posts (as though short, but idiotic, posts are preferable in a discussion forum)
  • I often compose short posts, folk just remember sometimes I composed some longer ones - it's like a grudge but that's seemingly okay
  • Strangely other posters write much longer posts more often than I do now and face no opprobrium (funnily enough, your first post on this page is longer than anything I have written in the last two)
  • The original point, that Shelfie and friends were spamming this and other threads with their obsession with how great City are, and awarding them the title already, has miraculously been lost by referring to long posts and me in the same breath
 
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ralvy

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@StartingPrice you Just keep posting as you usually do, if they get annoyed, then the more power to you. I, for one, usually enjoy reading what you have to say, and I even have found that doing so can sometimes enhance my knowledge of the English language.
 

BringBack_leGin

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  • The original point, strangely, for what has ensued, was that Shelfie and friends were spamming this thread, as with others, with their Manchester City fappathon
  • They had already been told bluntly, in one line, that they were spamming the thread with their fappathon on how fantastically great Manchester City are - they ignored it
  • My original post was not that long, and intended in a startling but good humoured way to jolt them into seeing that they were spamming the thread
  • Due to Shelfie's reaction I added an addendum, still not making the post that long, explaining that they were spamming the thread, but in simpler language
  • Strangely, especially considering none of my posts were that long, it has all mutated now into berating me for writing long posts (as though short, but idiotic, posts are preferable in a discussion forum)
  • I often compose short posts, folk just remember sometimes I composed some longer ones - it's like a grudge but that's seemingly okay
  • Strangely other posters write much longer posts more often than I do now and face no opprobrium (funnily enough, your first post on this page is longer than anything I have written in the last two)
  • The original point, that Shelfie and friends were spamming this and other threads with their obsession with how great City are, and awarding them the title already, has miraculously been lost by referring to long posts and me in the same breath

  1. My post is very long, and I wouldn’t discourage you from all long postings, just suggesting that sometimes pick and choose which audience receives them.
  2. Yes, the Guardiola love in gets tedious. I have a lot of time for him personally, I think he’s done great things regardless of money/ players he inherited, but I’d rather we focussed on our great manager and what he’s doing with our squad.
  3. The bullet points made your long post very aesthetically manageable, might I suggest you incorporate them going forward.
  4. Bale is not a left back :p
 

pffft

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I've obviously missed it somewhere but from the turn of the conversation it seems that some pundits must have been telling people what to post and how to compose their posts.

In my opinion any such pundit is a biased cockend with a massive agenda against Spurs forums.

This thread is weird.
 
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