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dondo

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What you basically are saying is that you know better than Pochettino when it comes to playing KPW and buying players, in this case a new RB. Why don't you give Pochettino a call and explain to him that he was wrong in buying Aurier instead of giving KWP a chance as 2nd choice RB.
In case you did not know it, young players are easier affacted negatively from mistakes than experienced players. Yes, I am aware of Aurier's rash and hash tackles but...can you guarantee that KWP would not have made any mistakes at all had he playes instead?
Again, it is not something I am claiming, but proven for decades in top sport: qualtiy players pushes each others to get the best out of each others and thus get better. And it helps motivation to be pushed.
Trippier has certainly upped his game this season. I am not claiming that is necessarily because of the arrival of Aurier but a fiercer competition for the RB cerataily won't harm him.


I personally think this is a myth. All players are effected by mistakes.
Alli, kane, eriksen, Bentaleb, mason, Carroll all made mistakes early on in their careers and came through ok whilst playing for us. Where as many experienced players like fazio, chirches, Bentley, bent, Paulinho, soldado where clearly had their confidence damaged beyond repair early on playing badly for us.
I think it’s more to do with mentality regardless of age
 

Blake Griffin

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u23 lineup against villarreal

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0-0 at the moment.
 

Blake Griffin

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Where were you watching this?

EDIT - Just watched clip, Eurosport. Lovely bit of play

yeah, eurosport germany.

marcus was england's best player, or at least best attacking player. created some good openings and had a couple of decent efforts himself but those around him weren't up to much. mahoney offered little, willock was poor bar the odd run that ended in nothing and mavididi was mavididi. outside of dasilva, edun and edwards i don't particularly rate many of this group that highly tbh, though i think villa's callum o'hare who has just joined the squad is a decent little player. oxford i'm still a bit unsure of, it's funny to think back to a couple of years ago when people were going crazy for him because he played ok-decent in a couple of games for west ham's first team.
 

IGSpur

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Our u16s beat United 2-1 today -IGspur.

You really are a font of knowledge and information on Youth football. By any chance do you know who scored and indeed who played. If the game was played at Carrington I could have watched it. Also if possible could you enlighten me on the U14 squad. I know of Khalon Haysman and the surnames of three others - Scarlett, Forson and Casanova and that's it. My knowledge of the U15's is restricted to knowing of Dermi Lusala, the Craig twins, Tobi Oluwayemi and Nile John (all current Eng U15 trialists) so if you could possibly enlighten me I would be grateful.
Mancman

Not 100% on team but I know Kurylowicz, White, Walcott, John and I think Patters on played, don't know scorers

I don't know too much about the u14s. You know quite a few of the names so you may have a similar amount of knowledge on them as me. But the ones you named are the ones I have seen and liked. Dane Scarlett, Omari Forson and Dante Casanova are the full names. Also there is a CB in that group I'm still yet to ID and a winger named Jaden who caught my eye. From the little I've seen Haysman is a small left footer who can sit deep or play no.10 while Forson is a skillful CM.

Nile John is a very silky attacking midfielder with an eye for goal, the Craig's are both intelligent players Oluwayemi wins loads of GK awards and Lusala can play CB or CM. He's tall enjoys being on the ball.

The way things seem to be going it looks like we will be contributing more CBs to the England team.

At various points we've contributed the following
96 - Ogilvie and Lyons-Foster at u16s/17s who were both rated but had their own issues that affected them
97 - Maghoma at u16s who didn't push on but then we also had CCV who never received a call-up in a strong age group
98 - none (poor intake)
99 - Tanganga, Brown, Dinzeyi
00 - Eyoma, Lyons-Foster
01 - Binks
02 - Walcott (Patterson plays for Scotland and could get called up at some point and maybe Muir)
03 - Lusala, Craig (Matt, I think) can also play CB
04 - I predict that the CB I saw play for the u14s if he is born in 04 is called up to England next year

Clearly we are doing things correctly in that department. I think as we produce CBs who are comfortable England like to choose ours as it makes it easy to play with the England DNA, but they are also good defenders.

I think only Chelsea may contribute more CBs to England than us
 

IGSpur

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yeah, eurosport germany.

marcus was england's best player, or at least best attacking player. created some good openings and had a couple of decent efforts himself but those around him weren't up to much. mahoney offered little, willock was poor bar the odd run that ended in nothing and mavididi was mavididi. outside of dasilva, edun and edwards i don't particularly rate many of this group that highly tbh, though i think villa's callum o'hare who has just joined the squad is a decent little player. oxford i'm still a bit unsure of, it's funny to think back to a couple of years ago when people were going crazy for him because he played ok-decent in a couple of games for west ham's first team.

Tbf with Oxford, it shows how poorly West Ham have treated him. He like KWP played against Arsenal on debut at 16, did well in DM as a CB, and then was pulled out of the World Cup squad and never really featured again. I remember him coming on against us and doing well, but he demonstrated that he was more than capable of playing PL football and just shows how difficult it is. Does nothing wrong against Arsenal, but you're not ready yet.

Hope DaSilva doesn't stagnate, Edun has really come on since he first appeared for this age group.
 

IGSpur

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If he really is good enough KWP will indeed make it as a 1st team regular. And I am all for giving him the chances to prove himself.

Was KWP good enough a week before he made his debut for us?

If he was, has he regressed? if he wasn't why did Poch play him?

If Poch didn't think he was good enough, why did he play him? Surely he proved to him he was more than good enough for the level and I don't remember him making mistakes, so what is the issue in him playing again?
 

Dharmabum

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Was KWP good enough a week before he made his debut for us?

If he was, has he regressed? if he wasn't why did Poch play him?

If Poch didn't think he was ready, surely he proved to him he was more than good enough for the level and I don't remember him making mistakes, so what is the issue in him playing again?

Trippier was out injured and Aurier was not yet at the club when KWP made his debut. You really believe KWP is better than Trippier is now?
But again, I am NOT the one making the decisions at the club. I am just trusting Pochettino's judgment, that is all.
 

mancman

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Not 100% on team but I know Kurylowicz, White, Walcott, John and I think Patters on played, don't know scorers
I don't know too much about the u14s. You know quite a few of the names so you may have a similar amount of knowledge on them as me. But the ones you named are the ones I have seen and liked. Dane Scarlett, Omari Forson and Dante Casanova are the full names. Also there is a CB in that group I'm still yet to ID and a winger named Jaden who caught my eye. From the little I've seen Haysman is a small left footer who can sit deep or play no.10 while Forson is a skillful CM.
Nile John is a very silky attacking midfielder with an eye for goal, the Craig's are both intelligent players Oluwayemi wins loads of GK awards and Lusala can play CB or CM. He's tall enjoys being on the ball.
The way things seem to be going it looks like we will be contributing more CBs to the England team

Thank you IGspur for responding and for the information. Brilliant as always. Mancman
 

Dharmabum

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I personally think this is a myth. All players are effected by mistakes.
Alli, kane, eriksen, Bentaleb, mason, Carroll all made mistakes early on in their careers and came through ok whilst playing for us. Where as many experienced players like fazio, chirches, Bentley, bent, Paulinho, soldado where clearly had their confidence damaged beyond repair early on playing badly for us.
I think it’s more to do with mentality regardless of age

Whether you – and others on here who support your point of view - believe it is a myth or not, those in the know does not think so. Why do all top managers/head coaches in the history football always emphasize experience in important games and tournament if age does not matter?
Some players are more immune to mistakes than others, as they are mentally stronger – naturally. Which is why to reach to top one need to be mentally strong. There are plenty of top-notch talents who never made due to lack of mental focus and determination.

Chiriches simply was not as good as people thought, so I doubt it had much to do with confidence. He simply has better ball control than most CB have. Bentley simply didn't care enough about the game but more about his image, which he even admitted. Paulinho simply did not fit into the style of the EPL.
Soldado and Bent, yes, I agree that their confidence suffered at Spurs.

None of the players you mention are defenders, though. A mistake in defense is more fatal than, say, missing a chance, even an open goal, up front. People still remember Walker's horrible back pass vs Liverpool a few years back that lead to their comeback to beat Spurs. Or Gilberto's errors. And how much sticks didn't Dier get last season for his few mistakes.
Just look at all the top clubs around Europe and tell me how many “teenagers”you see in regular starting II, not to say the defense.
 

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Trippier was out injured and Aurier was not yet at the club when KWP made his debut. You really believe KWP is better than Trippier is now?
But again, I am NOT the one making the decisions at the club. I am just trusting Pochettino's judgment, that is all.

No but I think KWP scares me less then SA
 

dondo

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Whether you – and others on here who support your point of view - believe it is a myth or not, those in the know does not think so. Why do all top managers/head coaches in the history football always emphasize experience in important games and tournament if age does not matter?
Some players are more immune to mistakes than others, as they are mentally stronger – naturally. Which is why to reach to top one need to be mentally strong. There are plenty of top-notch talents who never made due to lack of mental focus and determination.

Chiriches simply was not as good as people thought, so I doubt it had much to do with confidence. He simply has better ball control than most CB have. Bentley simply didn't care enough about the game but more about his image, which he even admitted. Paulinho simply did not fit into the style of the EPL.
Soldado and Bent, yes, I agree that their confidence suffered at Spurs.

None of the players you mention are defenders, though. A mistake in defense is more fatal than, say, missing a chance, even an open goal, up front. People still remember Walker's horrible back pass vs Liverpool a few years back that lead to their comeback to beat Spurs. Or Gilberto's errors. And how much sticks didn't Dier get last season for his few mistakes.
Just look at all the top clubs around Europe and tell me how many “teenagers”you see in regular starting II, not to say the defense.


Fair point but imo not enough mangers in England give young players a chance.
Gomez looked pretty good vs Brazil last night as young defenders go
 

Blake Griffin

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http://www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/players/harry-kane-first-coach-arsenal-13914771
As a Spurs scout with a brief of looking out for the stars of the future between the ages of six to 16, Bricknell is scouring the local area for the next big thing. He's been with Tottenham for 12 years, having worked for Chelsea before.

"I enjoy it. There's a good player in the U16s called Malachi Walcott, who I like. I saw him playing for Norsemen Youth a couple of years ago and I took him in and he's now an England youth international," he said.

Then there's Marcus Edwards, the much-hyped youngster on the verge of breaking into Pochettino's first team thinking.

"I saw Marcus as a youngster. I can't take any credit for him though as although I picked him out he was already with Tottenham. He's easy to spot though. There's just something about him.

"I saw him as a seven-year-old and all through the age groups. He was one of those kids you'd actually pay to go and watch. Jack Wilshere as a kid was the same. Josh McEachran was the same. You watch them and you just can see they're levels above."

Bricknell teased the promise of an exciting young prospect at Tottenham who could be better than anyone before him at the club if he keeps his head down and works hard.

"I've got a boy at the club in the U8s, who's been there since he was five. I think he could be even better [than Marcus Edwards]," he said. "If he keeps going he could be the best I've ever seen. The trouble is you never know what's going to happen to them in the next ten years.

"I've been coaching him since he was four and it's like watching a little Lionel Messi. I'm not going to give out his name, but he's unbelievable. The standard for six and seven-year-olds now is phenomenal."


i expect a comprehensive analysis of this u8 at some point @IGSpur ;)
 
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