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sly1

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This is a particularly misleading use of stats.

Firstly, xG is shown rather than G. That is, the number of goals the average player would be expected to score given the chances that Ramsey/Alli have had rather than the goals actually scored.

This means that Ramsey should have scored a lot more goals than Alli, given the chances they've had. It is all the more impressive, then, that Alli has scored so many more than Ramsey.

People often say that xG is better predictor of future goals than G alone. I do not know enough about what the evidence for this is, but it seems likely that it only applies to teams as a whole, rather than individual players. Good finishers regularly outperform their xG over a sustained period of time. Harry Kane, for example, outperformed his xG last season by more than 50%.

In this regard, Ramsay is notable for underperforming his xG by a huge margin. In other words, he has been extremely bad at finishing during the last year.

Other aspects in which Ramsey has outperformed Alli include number of times dispossessed(??)

Not sure what I + T means, but apparently Ramsey is good at it.

In fairness, the passing percentage seems fairly reasonable...
 

yusrisafri

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IMO this is spot on. Got this from a match review of last nights game.

* “Sloppy from Dele Alli,” said Gary Neville in the fourth minute and I chuckled, because the same thing is said every week as if this wasn’t standard fare from Dele Alli this season. He has been in woeful form that cannot be masked by one good game against Real Madrid, with sloppiness and casual, wasteful play the common theme of almost every performance for both England and Tottenham Hotspur
 

Blake Griffin

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he has the coordination of a baby giraffe 90% of the time - which is exacerbated in forward areas where space is limited. hope we start to see him playing deeper again like he did against liverpool where he was excellent.
 

St José Dominguez

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he has the coordination of a baby giraffe 90% of the time - which is exacerbated in forward areas where space is limited. hope we start to see him playing deeper again like he did against liverpool where he was excellent.

Think Poch needs to just tell him he's not Neymar and never will be. Far too often he's trying silly things to beat two players which innevitably lead to him losing the ball. He needs to forget about the things he can't do and just lay it off simply.

His first touch has always been pretty poor, it's reason why I can't see him at Madrid. It's been poor when he was on fire last few years and when he's in current bad form, not sure why suddenly fans are noticing it.
 

yusrisafri

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he has the coordination of a baby giraffe 90% of the time - which is exacerbated in forward areas where space is limited. hope we start to see him playing deeper again like he did against liverpool where he was excellent.
Baby giraffe description is spot on!!

The ignorant among football fans tend to think he has crazy skills, purely because of his outrageous goals and him being English. But he lacks the most basic of skills, close ball control and first touch, hence the baby giraffe description.
 

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In a lot of positions there aren’t many PL players I’d currently take over ours.However there’s a very long list I’d currently take over dele.Which to me indicates he is immensely replaceable for the right price £125m +
 

kaz Hirai

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In a lot of positions there aren’t many PL players I’d currently take over ours.However there’s a very long list I’d currently take over dele.Which to me indicates he is immensely replaceable for the right price £125m +

With the size of our club, and our wages I would highly doubt we could replace Dele with someone better

He's been off this season but let us not forget he is younger than winks. His potential is ridiculous
 

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In a lot of positions there aren’t many PL players I’d currently take over ours.However there’s a very long list I’d currently take over dele.Which to me indicates he is immensely replaceable for the right price £125m +
Although he will be having a mere, he has the knack of being in the right place at the right time, more than most. This instinct alone, will make him attractive to many clubs. If he goes to Madrid or Barca, and gives up possesion in the manner he does here, their fans will soon be on his back.
 

eddiev14

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He’s 21 years old. For God’s sake cut the guy some slack.

So much is expected from young players these days, but 95% of them struggle to find consistency until they gain more experience of what to do when they aren’t on top of their game.

He’s a class act and will get through this tricky patch but we need to support him.
 

dontcallme

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In a lot of positions there aren’t many PL players I’d currently take over ours.However there’s a very long list I’d currently take over dele.Which to me indicates he is immensely replaceable for the right price £125m +

Which is why it's great that people like you have no say in our transfer policy.

For years we've heard how the likes of Walker, Rose, Dier etc are so easily replaced but in time they became really important players for us.

Alli is someone who achieved more in his first 3 seasons than most expected. He hasn't yet developed his all-round game to the level we want. But we have improved because we develop these players rather than looking for an experienced player to replace all the time.

Selling him for financial reasons is something we simply won't do. If we sell it's because he has received an offer he wants to accept.
 

matthew.absurdum

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I think his best position, ironically, is cm, especially, in a 433 or 352 with a winks-type and a dier-type. When playing in this position, he knows he cannot play that kinds of meaningless tricks and dribbles, and thus moves the ball quickly with intelligence.

He should realise that his tricks do not work :bored:
 

TheChosenOne

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On a slightly different note I read a report that stated "there was a monkey chant from someone directed at DA as he left the field yesterday"

Sad times still.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Which is why it's great that people like you have no say in our transfer policy.

For years we've heard how the likes of Walker, Rose, Dier etc are so easily replaced but in time they became really important players for us.


Strange examples to chose. We made our best Premier league start ever this season without Walker and Rose in the team. Kind of blows your theory out the water a little, no?
 

dontcallme

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Strange examples to chose. We made our best Premier league start ever this season without Walker and Rose in the team. Kind of blows your theory out the water a little, no?

No it doesn't.

They were good players and we were better off for developing them than simply looking for a quick upgrade.

Do you not think we were better off developing Walker then selling him for £52m than just giving up on him as soon as showed he wasn't perfect?
 

Bus-Conductor

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No it doesn't.

They were good players and we were better off for developing them than simply looking for a quick upgrade.

Do you not think we were better off developing Walker then selling him for £52m than just giving up on him as soon as showed he wasn't perfect?


Ahh....OK...I get your point. But to answer your question honestly, yes, I would rather we'd have spent the 5 years we spent developing Walker, developing an even better RB, one with 3/4's of Walker's physical attributes but 3/4's more intelligence. Just imagine how much we'd have sold that player for ?
 

WiganSpur

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I think his best position, ironically, is cm, especially, in a 433 or 352 with a winks-type and a dier-type. When playing in this position, he knows he cannot play that kinds of meaningless tricks and dribbles, and thus moves the ball quickly with intelligence.

He should realise that his tricks do not work :bored:
The game he played against Liverpool in that sort of position was his best game for us.

When he's given more defensive responsibility he seems to cut out the silly bollocks.
 

dontcallme

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Ahh....OK...I get your point. But to answer your question honestly, yes, I would rather we'd have spent the 5 years we spent developing Walker, developing an even better RB, one with 3/4's of Walker's physical attributes but 3/4's more intelligence. Just imagine how much we'd have sold that player for ?

Sowhy were City willing to pay £52m for Walker if a make-believe player could have just as easily been developed ot be better in that time?

Why did numerous Spurs managers persist with him if buying better was so easy?

Actually, I'm not going to get into a Walker with you in an Alli thread.

We get that you don't rate certain players but leave it out once in a while.
 
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