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shelfboy68

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Technically we didn't defend it badly we defended it right by playing their player offside but the linesman wasn't up to it and didn't give it.
I take your point but you can't say it was down to one thing if that thing isn't right, had the linesman done his job we wouldn't have had a situation to deal with.
I accept that we weren't on our game and Arsenal were up for it but that doesn't mean they deserved to win or would have won, it's games like that when a refereeing decision can tip the balance and I honestly believe that happened yesterday, he didn't miss something he saw something that wasn't there.
Having said that I had been worried all week about this game, just couldn't feel confident.
To be honest I thought we would lose I have no confidence in us when we play these big games away from home it's always the same old story.
 

vuzp

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To be honest I thought we would lose I have no confidence in us when we play these big games away from home it's always the same old story.
i agree, besides the away game against Man City to get the Champions League spot a few years back, we really never have turned up for the big games in the league.
 

Phomesy

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He didn't affect the result, on the respective performance levels Arsenal would have scored eventually an run out worthy winners.

Shifting the blame to the ref when it should sit squarely with our players and manager.
Anyone who has ever played competitive sport knows exactly how dispiriting decisions like the one against Davidson are. Truly truly awful decision that led to another poor offical call and a goal.

Yes the blame for the performance lies with coach and players but that should not stop anyone highlighting one of the worst calls made by a ref this year. Mike Dean should apologise to Davidson in person. Not sure why you want to protect him from deserves criticism?
 

Phomesy

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Failing to defend the free kick was what affected the game the second was us just caving in again, bad decisions will happen to anyone it's how you deal with those situations that is the acid test.......and we didn't.
IT WAS OFFSIDE!

Do you understand? The Arsenal player illegally gained an advantage over our defenders and the officials allowed it.

Jesus Christ...
 

riggi

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That's the spirit mate...fucking hell

Hope you weren't at the game

Just to step in here a minute...

Our opinions on here don't effect how we are at the game, well not for me personally. All this "I'm glad you weren't in the trenches" bollocks is silly. This is exactly the place where we can be negative etc, it's a forum.
 

shelfboy68

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IT WAS OFFSIDE!

Do you understand? The Arsenal player illegally gained an advantage over our defenders and the officials allowed it.

Jesus Christ...
What the fuck are you tugging on today mate I never ever mentioned offside or onside, what I said was we didn't deal with it properly as he got between the pair of them.
You play to the whistle at least when I played at park football we did yes it was a bad decision but they happen we defended poorly for both......jesus Christ.
 

shelfboy68

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Just to step in here a minute...

Our opinions on here don't effect how we are at the game, well not for me personally. All this "I'm glad you weren't in the trenches" bollocks is silly. This is exactly the place where we can be negative etc, it's a forum.
Not for some mate not for some
 

Phomesy

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What the fuck are you tugging on today mate I never ever mentioned offside or onside, what I said was we didn't deal with it properly as he got between the pair of them.
You play to the whistle at least when I played at park football we did yes it was a bad decision but they happen we defended poorly for both......jesus Christ.


You said we “failed to defend the free kick” - we failed because the Arsenal player had illegally gained an advantage and the officials allowed it.

Christ it’s hard enough trying to beat quality teams away without people like you insisting we should allow the other sides to cheat!

Ffs...
 
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Failing to defend the free kick was what affected the game the second was us just caving in again, bad decisions will happen to anyone it's how you deal with those situations that is the acid test.......and we didn't.
The original point was that Dean didn't affect the game when he clearly did.

I haven't disputed anything after that fact, you're right better defending, heads in the game, wanting it more and not caving in blah blah blah ... Doesn't change the original point.
 

shelfboy68

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You said we “failed to defend the free kick” - we failed because the Arsenal player had illegally gained an advantage and the officials allowed it.

Christ it’s hard enough trying to beat quality teams away without people like you insisting we should allow the other sides to cheat!

Ffs...

I have just checked back through my posts nope can't see where I said it was ok to cheat let's see how you react next time dele alli throw himself to the floor and gets a free kick or a penalty that changes a game, you have certainly made me laugh mate cheered me up no end.:ROFLMAO:
 

TheChosenOne

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If it is any consolation my wife - at the start of the second half - saw Alexis Sanchez do the spectacles testicles wallet and watch sign of the cross and called him out as a hypocrite because he was a cheat.

May his God smite him down.
 

SpursDave88

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IT WAS OFFSIDE!

Do you understand? The Arsenal player illegally gained an advantage over our defenders and the officials allowed it.

Jesus Christ...

Being honest, I'm not sure Mustafi actually gained any advantage from being stood slightly offside. We didn't concede because he was offside but rather because Dier misjudged the flight of the ball.
 

shelfboy68

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Being honest, I'm not sure Mustafi actually gained any advantage from being stood slightly offside. We didn't concede because he was offside but rather because Dier misjudged the flight of the ball.

Leave him alone now mate he just won't accept it we lost again nothing unusual there.
 

Ionman34

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Leave him alone now mate he just won't accept it we lost again nothing unusual there.
Actually, going on our record over the past 3 seasons, losing is unusual, we usually win.

As for your point on the defending, the purpose of holding a line is so that when the opposition go beyond it, they are penalised. The failure wasn’t in the defending, it was the officiating, playing to the whistle is tosh under those circumstances. The line was set, he was offside, therefore the defenders’ set up was correct.

None of this is a blame shift as we were poor on the day, but facts are facts.
 

Streetspur77

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Why? I do go to games and give my support as often as I can losing games has nothing to do with me or any other fan.

Just to step in here a minute...

Our opinions on here don't effect how we are at the game, well not for me personally. All this "I'm glad you weren't in the trenches" bollocks is silly. This is exactly the place where we can be negative etc, it's a forum.

Nah sorry, people complain about changing the mentality of the club and that comes down to the fans aswell. Be negative after the game if you really want to but that is such a defeatist mentality to go into the NLD derby with

It's not 'in the trenches bollocks' it's that that mentality is toxic and if you have 'no confidence' in the team, yes maybe it's best you don't take on the job of supporting them in such a big game

Also saying you have 'no confidence' in us in big games is just stupid. I presume you thought we'd lose to Madrid twice, Dortmund, Chelsea,united and arsenal at last season and Liverpool this year?
 

SpursDave88

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Actually, going on our record over the past 3 seasons, losing is unusual, we usually win.

As for your point on the defending, the purpose of holding a line is so that when the opposition go beyond it, they are penalised. The failure wasn’t in the defending, it was the officiating, playing to the whistle is tosh under those circumstances. The line was set, he was offside, therefore the defenders’ set up was correct.

None of this is a blame shift as we were poor on the day, but facts are facts.

Last post on this point.

I would agree if Mustafi was well behind the line when he headed the ball thus gaining a big advantage by being offside.

In this case Mustafi started half a foot ahead of Dier and was inline with him when the ball arrived, thus I don't think being stood in an offside position initially helped him score the goal or get to the ball ahead of Dier in any way.

If Dier had tracked the flight of the ball correctly he would have beaten Mustafi to it.
 

shelfboy68

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Actually, going on our record over the past 3 seasons, losing is unusual, we usually win.

As for your point on the defending, the purpose of holding a line is so that when the opposition go beyond it, they are penalised. The failure wasn’t in the defending, it was the officiating, playing to the whistle is tosh under those circumstances. The line was set, he was offside, therefore the defenders’ set up was correct.

None of this is a blame shift as we were poor on the day, but facts are facts.
Losing away from home to the big sides is what we usually do that was my mistake in not explaining that.
As for the rest of your post offside happens whether it is called rightly or wrongly but I still think it was a misjudged ball therefore no complaints from me.
 
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Losing away from home to the big sides is what we usually do that was my mistake in not explaining that.
As for the rest of your post offside happens whether it is called rightly or wrongly but I still think it was a misjudged ball therefore no complaints from me.
First time losing to Arsenal since 2014 ... I guess it's just the mental make up of a fan eh?
 
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