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MOTM

  • Lloris

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sanchez

    Votes: 223 86.8%
  • Dier

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Verts

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Trippier

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Davies

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Dembele

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Sissoko

    Votes: 21 8.2%
  • Dele

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 3 1.2%
  • Kane

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Winks

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Son

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Llorente

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Poch

    Votes: 2 0.8%

  • Total voters
    257

Lighty64

I believe
Aug 24, 2010
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Yeah and what really pisses me off is that whole "power shift" narrative was created by the media yet us more pragmatic fans will jave to listen tonthe scum fans crowing about it over the next few weeks

Sunday supplement hit the nail on the head this morning. the build up for this NLD because we finally finished above them last season became very hyped. when you get journalist doing select XI's in the papers and the majority going for Spurs players, with 1 going full XI, then that's a big enough carrot to stir anyone that has a point to prove.

the trouble is we had 4 of our best players (though Alli seems to of gone AWOL, since dropping his agent, and appearing in TV ads) where all returning from injury. if we could of fielded our strongest XI possible, we might of had more bite, but we looked like a team that thought they had won this match before a ball was kicked, and left their teeth at home.
 

Japhet

Well-Known Member
Aug 30, 2010
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Double training on the menu this week. Proper kick up the arse needed after such a lack lustre showing. It wasn't pure chance that we were beaten to every loose ball. Eriksen looked shot after the WCQ, but Sanchez who travelled further than anyone looked well up for it. Shame Winks didn't start since we relied on the returning Dembele and rampaging elephant Sissoko where we needed some composure and tempo. Alli was abysmal (as usual lately) and even players like Davies (who has been in great form) looked disinterested and flat. I just hope we haaven't kick-started the Gooners season for them.
 

bomberH

Well-Known Member
Jun 4, 2005
28,455
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He was better than 90% of our players yet you picked him out to criticise. Just shows your bias

My bias?? What? I want every player to do well for us. I have no bias. I picked him out because he is (always) being debated in the match thread and I wanted to put my point across that I understand why people are giving him praise, just that I don’t agree with it. I didn’t think he was terrible, I’m saying that power and pace doesn’t make a good footballer if every other part of your game is poor.

In my opinion, Sissoko was so bad for us last season that whenever he has an average game now, it’s looked upon as a good game because of how bad he’s been. It’s nothing to do with bias and that’s just a really weird comment. If I feel he’s not good enough, I’ll say so.

He has the worst control in the team. He struggles to pass well unless it’s backwards. He has no awareness of what’s around him and doesn’t have a good football brain. I challenge you to prove any of those points wrong. For everything he did well yesterday, he did just as much poorly. Watch the full 90 minutes back if you think I’m exaggerating. As I said, he comes across as a nice guy on twitter etc and I have nothing against him personally, I just feel he’s a poor player, or at least that he hasn’t done it for us so far. I’d love him to prove me wrong but I don’t think he’s good enough to play regularly for a top team. Nothing to do with bias.
 

dannythomas

Well-Known Member
May 17, 2004
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I see the masses are starting to see what @Bus-Conductor and others like myself have been on with Dembele that past couple seasons. Can keep the ball from group of dogs, but can’t pick a pass or move the ball around like a CM should. Also didn’t show for the ball at all , for the majority of the game
Not sure I agree with that . 2 seasons ago he was majestic, possibly our most important player after Kane . He broke up countless attacks and kept our midfield moving. His ban after the Chelsea game definitely cost us second place imo . Last season he was still pretty good but with the emergence of Wanyama less important. Now in the absence of Wanyama we need the Dembele of 2 seasons ago and he just doesn’t seem to have it in him. A yard slower, misplaces passes and loses the ball in possession. Whether that is injury related and he will recover is debatable but unfortunately my opinion is that he will never be that player again . Can still do a job from the bench especially when we need to see a game out, but Wanyama is being badly missed right now.
 

dannythomas

Well-Known Member
May 17, 2004
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Can we close the MOTM poll for this match ? Yes , everyone rightly says that Sanchez was our stand out player but that is because everyone else was so inept. To choose a MOTM after that debacle is frankly embarrassing.
 

Bus-Conductor

SC Supporter
Oct 19, 2004
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My bias?? What? I want every player to do well for us. I have no bias. I picked him out because he is (always) being debated in the match thread and I wanted to put my point across that I understand why people are giving him praise, just that I don’t agree with it. I didn’t think he was terrible, I’m saying that power and pace doesn’t make a good footballer if every other part of your game is poor.

In my opinion, Sissoko was so bad for us last season that whenever he has an average game now, it’s looked upon as a good game because of how bad he’s been. It’s nothing to do with bias and that’s just a really weird comment. If I feel he’s not good enough, I’ll say so.

He has the worst control in the team. He struggles to pass well unless it’s backwards. He has no awareness of what’s around him and doesn’t have a good football brain. I challenge you to prove any of those points wrong. For everything he did well yesterday, he did just as much poorly. Watch the full 90 minutes back if you think I’m exaggerating. As I said, he comes across as a nice guy on twitter etc and I have nothing against him personally, I just feel he’s a poor player, or at least that he hasn’t done it for us so far. I’d love him to prove me wrong but I don’t think he’s good enough to play regularly for a top team. Nothing to do with bias.

Excellent post. Eloquently put.
 

zoneD

Active Member
Aug 9, 2014
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...I guess some missed Davies getting repeatedly raped down our left...Dembele wasn't much help, either...not sure if all the injuries are catching up with him...
COYS
 

SpursDave88

Well-Known Member
Aug 31, 2012
2,193
5,831
My bias?? What? I want every player to do well for us. I have no bias. I picked him out because he is (always) being debated in the match thread and I wanted to put my point across that I understand why people are giving him praise, just that I don’t agree with it. I didn’t think he was terrible, I’m saying that power and pace doesn’t make a good footballer if every other part of your game is poor.

In my opinion, Sissoko was so bad for us last season that whenever he has an average game now, it’s looked upon as a good game because of how bad he’s been. It’s nothing to do with bias and that’s just a really weird comment. If I feel he’s not good enough, I’ll say so.

He has the worst control in the team. He struggles to pass well unless it’s backwards. He has no awareness of what’s around him and doesn’t have a good football brain. I challenge you to prove any of those points wrong. For everything he did well yesterday, he did just as much poorly. Watch the full 90 minutes back if you think I’m exaggerating. As I said, he comes across as a nice guy on twitter etc and I have nothing against him personally, I just feel he’s a poor player, or at least that he hasn’t done it for us so far. I’d love him to prove me wrong but I don’t think he’s good enough to play regularly for a top team. Nothing to do with bias.

Your assessment of his ability I agree with, but I still think his performance yesterday was decent. Every attack came through him, he consistently beat his man one on one all match.
 

bomberH

Well-Known Member
Jun 4, 2005
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Your assessment of his ability I agree with, but I still think his performance yesterday was decent. Every attack came through him, he consistently beat his man one on one all match.

That’s fair enough, it’s all about opinions. I agree he did beat his man a few times but in my opinion, he often didn’t pick the best option once he beat them. For me, this is a big frustration with him in general when he plays for us - he may do something really well, like powering through with the ball, but often follows it up with the wrong/poor decision because he hasn’t got the awareness (through ball) or ability (good cross) needed. He also stopped a few of our own attacks too by dithering when he could’ve passed or again choosing the wrong or safe sideways/backwards option when others may have played a simple through ball.

He definitely wasn’t the worst player on the pitch yesterday. He gave it his best and he did it for 90 minutes, I just personally think his best (so far) isn’t good enough for a title challenging team. Just my opinion of course.
 

@Bobby__Lucky

Well-Known Member
Aug 20, 2013
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Sanchez the best of a poor lot.

Hugo falling backwards into the net for the second?? Stand up straight and it never goes in.

That was very poor from Lloris. Think he wasn't ready to return. Terrible keeping for that second goal. Terrible, like someone that never played in goal before would do it. Saying that not blaming him for the defeat, apart from Sanchez all were very poor.
 

Bus-Conductor

SC Supporter
Oct 19, 2004
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Really excellent analysis BC. I too was at a loss to work out Poch’s game plan. Winks should have played from the start, Dembele is on a slow downward spiral and I’m sorry but Sissoko should not have been anywhere near our first choice. For those who say he was our second best player, the truth is that he performed to the maximum of his ability and was , just maybe . our second least bad player on the day , whatever good that is. Damning with faint praise as they say.

FFS give Son a run of games as first choice . Not everything he does comes off, he missed a big chance to give us what I’m sure would have been a consolation goal only , but he doesn’t hide , he keeps looking for a way.. If that means benching Alli then do it. If Wanyama was fit then Alli should definitely make way . We miss Wanyama hugely but right now pulling Eriksen back and interchanging forward movement between him and Winks is our best midfield option. So Alli and Son should both play largely because we don’t have another option for Alli ( dare I say it Lamela ? ) unless we revert to 4 at the back. And unfortunately Dembele it seems no longer has it and Dier is for me a central defender first and foremost.


Yesterday I’d have preferred to see us play with a bit more pragmatism, and with maybe Alli and Eriksen hubbing off Winks or Alli and Dembele hubbing off Winks with Eriksen pushed up.
 

jonathanhotspur

Loose Cannon
Jun 28, 2009
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8,250
Can we close the MOTM poll for this match ? Yes , everyone rightly says that Sanchez was our stand out player but that is because everyone else was so inept. To choose a MOTM after that debacle is frankly embarrassing.
Or you could protest like I did, and vote for Dele Alli.
 

Shadydan

Well-Known Member
Jul 7, 2012
38,247
104,143
That was very poor from Lloris. Think he wasn't ready to return. Terrible keeping for that second goal. Terrible, like someone that never played in goal before would do it. Saying that not blaming him for the defeat, apart from Sanchez all were very poor.

Looked like he was off balance to me.
 

thinktank

Hmmm...
Sep 28, 2004
45,893
68,893
Imo poch's critical error yesterday was not starting Winks. Sissy lets players saunter past him and he just jogs and watches and has no ambition to get onside anytime sharpish.

Mentioned not long ago that I wanted to see the same desire from him coming back to muck in properly as he shows surging forward. That's exactly why.

We can get away with it in some games, but a game like this it was the singular thing that cost us imo, as it allowed the scum to develop their game and confidence in the final third. They would have crumbled if we hadn't allowed them any flow and rhythm through the phases.

The fans would have become frustrated and they would have shat themselves and folded.

Winks would have had the intensity to help disrupt their game and give us precision and incision going the other way.

As much as Sissy contributed yesterday, he wasn't the right piece of the jigsaw to begin the game with.

Poch keeps making these simple, unnecessary errors. It's very frustrating.
 

felmani26

SC Supporter
Jan 1, 2008
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The best players make the hard aspects of football appear almost effortless whereas with Sissoko he makes the simple tasks look like really hard work.
 

Spurs72

Don't Call It A Comeback
May 20, 2008
565
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Took me a Day and a Little bit to talk about the defeat to Arsenal yesterday.

And really as I weigh up stuff and think about stuff, We need to win something period!!!, yesterday our performance was not good enough, the whole starting 11 was not good enough, Davinson Sanchez really stood out to me as someone who would get my Vote for any MOTM, but I was disappointed overall it's like the players didn't get up for the game. Shameful by the guys in the shirt yesterday.

If Kane was not a 100% for a NLD then y play him ?

Dier Was 50/50 yesterday so I don't get the Dier bashing,

I have been to NLD's at White Hot Lane or Highbury, never been to the Emirates Stadium, No urge to go, my dad took me to Highbury when I was a kid so I kinda have seen guys get up for this game.

Mauricio Pochettino joined us in 2014 so ok in his first year or 2 if he does not win us a Trophy then ok, but he needs to win in 2017/18 100%
 

dannythomas

Well-Known Member
May 17, 2004
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Imo poch's critical error yesterday was not starting Winks. Sissy lets players saunter past him and he just jogs and watches and has no ambition to get onside anytime sharpish.

Mentioned not long ago that I wanted to see the same desire from him coming back to muck in properly as he shows surging forward. That's exactly why.

We can get away with it in some games, but a game like this it was the singular thing that cost us imo, as it allowed the scum to develop their game and confidence in the final third. They would have crumbled if we hadn't allowed them any flow and rhythm through the phases.

The fans would have become frustrated and they would have shat themselves and folded.

Winks would have had the intensity to help disrupt their game and give us precision and incision going the other way.

As much as Sissy contributed yesterday, he wasn't the right piece of the jigsaw to begin the game with.

Poch keeps making these simple, unnecessary errors. It's very frustrating.


I was about to press the “ winner “ tab but then I read the last line . I think that’s a bit harsh. Poch makes errors like we all do, and the persistent one is the selection of Sissoko. But he also gets most things right ! If you alter the last line to “ this simple unnecessary error “ then you get the vote. Oh F it you get it anyway ...
 

Spurs72

Don't Call It A Comeback
May 20, 2008
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I was about to press the “ winner “ tab but then I read the last line . I think that’s a bit harsh. Poch makes errors like we all do, and the persistent one is the selection of Sissoko. But he also gets most things right ! If you alter the last line to “ this simple unnecessary error “ then you get the vote. Oh F it you get it anyway ...

Sissoko is was an Error, now he is a problem a problem that Poch will Choose over a Winks, Son, N'Koudou etc, now can he not See what we can all see.

He does get most things right I agree with u there , but He would not decide to Leave out Dele, Kane, Eriksen etc because those guys are good Footballers
 

thinktank

Hmmm...
Sep 28, 2004
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68,893
I was about to press the “ winner “ tab but then I read the last line . I think that’s a bit harsh. Poch makes errors like we all do, and the persistent one is the selection of Sissoko. But he also gets most things right ! If you alter the last line to “ this simple unnecessary error “ then you get the vote. Oh F it you get it anyway ...
He's not ballsing up every week. It's just these niggling missteps here and there that irk me. He shouldn't be making them. They are too basic.

He's mah boi, though, y'all know that. Doesn't mean he's beyond criticism from me, though.;)
 

@Bobby__Lucky

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Aug 20, 2013
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Looked like he was off balance to me.

We all see different things.

To me an international class goalkeeper should not be 'off balance' or get off balance in that situation. He didn't read the play, was not aware and in my opinion it was very poor goalkeeping. I don't think he was ready to return and shouldn't have played. Same for Kane, same for Dembele.
 
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