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MOTM

  • Lloris

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sanchez

    Votes: 223 86.8%
  • Dier

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Verts

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Trippier

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Davies

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Dembele

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Sissoko

    Votes: 21 8.2%
  • Dele

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 3 1.2%
  • Kane

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Winks

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Son

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Llorente

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Poch

    Votes: 2 0.8%

  • Total voters
    257

Bulletspur

The Reasonable Advocate
Match Thread Admin
Oct 17, 2006
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My bias?? What? I want every player to do well for us. I have no bias. I picked him out because he is (always) being debated in the match thread and I wanted to put my point across that I understand why people are giving him praise, just that I don’t agree with it. I didn’t think he was terrible, I’m saying that power and pace doesn’t make a good footballer if every other part of your game is poor.

In my opinion, Sissoko was so bad for us last season that whenever he has an average game now, it’s looked upon as a good game because of how bad he’s been. It’s nothing to do with bias and that’s just a really weird comment. If I feel he’s not good enough, I’ll say so.

He has the worst control in the team. He struggles to pass well unless it’s backwards. He has no awareness of what’s around him and doesn’t have a good football brain. I challenge you to prove any of those points wrong. For everything he did well yesterday, he did just as much poorly. Watch the full 90 minutes back if you think I’m exaggerating. As I said, he comes across as a nice guy on twitter etc and I have nothing against him personally, I just feel he’s a poor player, or at least that he hasn’t done it for us so far. I’d love him to prove me wrong but I don’t think he’s good enough to play regularly for a top team. Nothing to do with bias.
We are talking about this match, not any match already played this season or any last Season. So paint it anyway you want it still boils down to bias. The points you made about his playing ability might be true but he was still better than most of our players on the day. What does that tell us about the performance of the others? Since they were worse shouldn't they be the ones to be criticised for this match. As I said it all boils down to your bias against Sissoko.
 

davros

Well-Known Member
Jul 16, 2005
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that was really dire. Arsenal fans are going to be insufferable now all season :(
I need a lie down in a dark room....

They aren't West Ham fans. Arsenal fans will be insufferable if they finish above us this season and we don't reach the CL final. They expect to outperform us over the course of a season, and they know as well as we do that, after the season wraps up, taunts are barely heard if they are yelled upwards to a better placed team in the league.
 

shelfboy68

Well-Known Member
Jun 14, 2008
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Took me a Day and a Little bit to talk about the defeat to Arsenal yesterday.

And really as I weigh up stuff and think about stuff, We need to win something period!!!, yesterday our performance was not good enough, the whole starting 11 was not good enough, Davinson Sanchez really stood out to me as someone who would get my Vote for any MOTM, but I was disappointed overall it's like the players didn't get up for the game. Shameful by the guys in the shirt yesterday.

If Kane was not a 100% for a NLD then y play him ?

Dier Was 50/50 yesterday so I don't get the Dier bashing,

I have been to NLD's at White Hot Lane or Highbury, never been to the Emirates Stadium, No urge to go, my dad took me to Highbury when I was a kid so I kinda have seen guys get up for this game.

Mauricio Pochettino joined us in 2014 so ok in his first year or 2 if he does not win us a Trophy then ok, but he needs to win in 2017/18 100%
Think your going to be dissapointed this year mate looking unlikely to win anything.
 

Shadydan

Well-Known Member
Jul 7, 2012
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We all see different things.

To me an international class goalkeeper should not be 'off balance' or get off balance in that situation. He didn't read the play, was not aware and in my opinion it was very poor goalkeeping. I don't think he was ready to return and shouldn't have played. Same for Kane, same for Dembele.

He looked ready to me, made some good saves from Sanchez and done his usual sweep of the ball, I don't think you can tell by one incident whether he was ready or not somehow.
 

@Bobby__Lucky

Well-Known Member
Aug 20, 2013
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He looked ready to me, made some good saves from Sanchez and done his usual sweep of the ball, I don't think you can tell by one incident whether he was ready or not somehow.

I really don't see your need to carry on a conversation that I've said 'we see different things' we don't agree, it's been said we don't agree, it's been put nicely but you want to continue. It's beyond me? Please don't reply.
 

Shadydan

Well-Known Member
Jul 7, 2012
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I really don't see your need to carry on a conversation that I've said 'we see different things' we don't agree, it's been said we don't agree, it's been put nicely but you want to continue. It's beyond me? Please don't reply.

Just solidfying my point fella...

Funny how these conversation things work, if you don't reply then the convo stops, you should try it ;)
 

walton

Well-Known Member
Feb 28, 2006
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Agreed with all re: Sanchez; stellar performance from him.

The comments regarding Moussa "7 Deadly Shins" Sissoko are interesting...he was typically lacking in any ability to be in control of the football, but given the dearth of quality being demonstrated elsewhere on the park, was probably one of our best players. Says it all.

Son bottled out of a couple of genuine 50:50s as soon as he came on, which in a NLD when we're crying out for a bit of fight, is inexcusable. He also spaffed our best chance. Such a frustrating player at times.
 

kungfugrip

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Apr 8, 2005
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Sanchez was incredible. What a player he's going to be. Very unlucky on the decision on the first goal. Mike Dean has normally been good for us in the NLDs, but not this time.
 

bomberH

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Jun 4, 2005
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We are talking about this match, not any match already played this season or any last Season. So paint it anyway you want it still boils down to bias. The points you made about his playing ability might be true but he was still better than most of our players on the day. What does that tell us about the performance of the others? Since they were worse shouldn't they be the ones to be criticised for this match. As I said it all boils down to your bias against Sissoko.

Maybe you should read my post properly.... I’ve explained exactly why I picked him out in my last 2 posts and specified what I believe he did wrong in this game. I’m not going to repeat what I’ve typed twice now. If you think he played well that’s fine and that’s your opinion, I happen to think otherwise. You need to accept that.

You even began this thread with the comment ‘I’m going to be controversial and give motm to Sissoko’. Stop with the whole bias shit. I’ve explained why I’m not keen on him in general and I’ve explained why I wasn’t keen on him on Saturday. And I even said I can understand why he was given some praise but that I didn’t agree. You’re having trouble accepting other people’s opinions, maybe you’re too biased in Sissoko’s favour? Works both ways you know.
 

kungfugrip

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Apr 8, 2005
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Dembele 4.5 Very hard to shake off the ball but unfortunately he didn't win or gain
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This often sums Dembele up for me. I used to be fearful when he wasn't in the team line up but that's starting to change a bit.
 

Eric_s

Well-Known Member
Aug 30, 2004
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Maybe you should read my post properly.... I’ve explained exactly why I picked him out in my last 2 posts and specified what I believe he did wrong in this game. I’m not going to repeat what I’ve typed twice now. If you think he played well that’s fine and that’s your opinion, I happen to think otherwise. You need to accept that.

You even began this thread with the comment ‘I’m going to be controversial and give motm to Sissoko’. Stop with the whole bias shit. I’ve explained why I’m not keen on him in general and I’ve explained why I wasn’t keen on him on Saturday. And I even said I can understand why he was given some praise but that I didn’t agree. You’re having trouble accepting other people’s opinions, maybe you’re too biased in Sissoko’s favour? Works both ways you know.

You are the one that is bias and its very tedious reading your multiple post on ehy you think Sissoko is shit. If you cannot give him the credit he deserve when he deserve it, you should just refrain from commenting. Your blind prejuidice against him have only me stop reading all your other post.
 

bomberH

Well-Known Member
Jun 4, 2005
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You are the one that is bias and its very tedious reading your multiple post on ehy you think Sissoko is shit. If you cannot give him the credit he deserve when he deserve it, you should just refrain from commenting. Your blind prejuidice against him have only me stop reading all your other post.

Oh shut up you tart. All you do is give people neg reps without actually saying what you believe. You’re the worst kind of poster. Were you drunk when you typed the last line?

You obviously cannot accept any criticism of him so it’s you who’s blind towards criticism. I stuck up for him last season when he was getting shit from everyone but if I now believe he isn’t good enough for us INCLUDING his performance on Saturday, then who are you to tell me not to give my opinion?

‘It’s very tedious reading your multiple posts on why Sissoko is shit’ - that’s such a pathetic comment, considering my multiple (3) posts were in response to other posters commenting on my original post. Am I not allowed to argue my point back? Should I pm you to ask if I can answer them back? Thanks in advance.

For the THIRD time, I understand why he was getting some love, I just don’t agree with it. Seriously, what is so hard to understand about that? If I thought he played a blinder, I’d say it. He’s played a couple of good games this season and I’ve given him credit where it’s due. I don’t think he’s good enough for us and his performance on Saturday hasn’t done anything to change my mind. You need to accept that some of us think that and don’t be so close minded.

Unbelievable. Put me on ignore please so I don’t have to respond to your insufferable crap any longer. Then go and look up ‘bias’ in a dictionary. I’m not prejudice against anyone. I don’t join in the mockery of him in the stands when others are taking the piss with ironic cheers when he gets a pass right. I don’t vent any anger when people behind me are shouting obscenities at him in pure rage. I even had a go at a group of people for a racist comment aimed at him. I get behind him and the team every game. If I think one player isn’t good enough for us having watched him closely for 18 months, then I will say so on a fans’ forum. Just because you think he had a good game on Saturday doesn’t mean everyone will agree with you.
 

Bus-Conductor

SC Supporter
Oct 19, 2004
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We are talking about this match, not any match already played this season or any last Season. So paint it anyway you want it still boils down to bias. The points you made about his playing ability might be true but he was still better than most of our players on the day. What does that tell us about the performance of the others? Since they were worse shouldn't they be the ones to be criticised for this match. As I said it all boils down to your bias against Sissoko.

Surely a far greater evidence of bias is giving Sissoko MOTM when he clearly wasn't.

I don't think anyone laid into to Sissoko and unfairly critiqued his performance this week. He did OK. But on a day when we were dreadful as team, and a massive part of why we were dreadful is the players ahead of the defence were all collectively poor without and with the ball, including Sissoko who even on an OK day doesn't press intelligently, move intelligently, pass intelligently - and let me elaborate here, I watched many times as Sissoko couldn't even make simple passes into people's stride, but instead passed the ball behind the team mate, causing them to check their stride and and chance of flow to break down. So yes, he might not have been as bad as some, but it's margins, real margins and nothing that made a tangible difference positively, and nothing to warrant calling him "very good" or MOTM.
 
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Ionman34

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Jun 1, 2011
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The Apprentice

Charles Big Potatoes
Mar 10, 2005
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We are talking about this match, not any match already played this season or any last Season. So paint it anyway you want it still boils down to bias. The points you made about his playing ability might be true but he was still better than most of our players on the day. What does that tell us about the performance of the others? Since they were worse shouldn't they be the ones to be criticised for this match. As I said it all boils down to your bias against Sissoko.

Do you think perhaps that his shitness has an impact on the performance of others around him? Or does every player perform in isolation?

Your claim that he was better than most of our players is an opinion and many others completely disagree. Hardly bias.

The desperation to praise him for doing basic things is heartwarming.
 

jonathanhotspur

Loose Cannon
Jun 28, 2009
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and let me elaborate here, I watched many times as Sissoko couldn't even make simple passes into people's stride, but instead passed the ball behind the team mate, causing them to check their stride and and chance of flow to break down.
This. All day long.
 
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