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Player watch: Danny Rose

Shadydan

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Well, if the player wants to pick his choice of club, then we should not let him do so as other players may follow suit when they decide that they want to leave the club too.

The EPL is awash with money, I’m not sure if losing £10m (or whatever difference) in value (if we sell to a club that’s not our rival in the league) would be a big loss, especially when we have spent the amount of money on players like Sissoko.

And again, we can't just force a player onto a club if a) the club don't want them and b) the player doesn't want to go there.

I'm not quite sure why people are having a hard time understanding this?
 

ardiles

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And again, we can't just force a player onto a club if a) the club don't want them and b) the player doesn't want to go there.

I'm not quite sure why people are having a hard time understanding this?

I agree that we can’t force a player to go to a club that he doesn’t want to go to, but as we hold his contract, we can refuse his choice of club and keep him till the next TW and see if the interested buying club will be patient enough to wait for him or opt for another player. At worst, we lose some value on his sale, but if the player still throws his toys out after the window closes and still insists on leaving , then we can offload him at the next window. At least, we will show the players that the club is in control of the transfer. Arsenal’s Sanchez, Coutinho & VVD have since pulled up their socks even though their respective owning clubs have refused to sell them last summer.

We shouldn’t let players decide when and where they want to play at, whenever they want to leave the club that holds their contract.
 

Trix

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Yep, its already looking very very familiar!

Similar yet different/worse. At least with Walker he was professional and didn't run off to the press every time he didn't get his own way or wasn't selected to play.
 

Trix

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Rose and Walker have the same agents don't they Base Sports (Leon Angel) Hmmm

I wouldn't look too far into that. Rose in the Summer did that interview despite being advised not to.

No point blaming the agent because Rose just does what he wants.
 

whitesocks

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Lol has Levy ever let a player go cheap regardless of the situation?

If he goes it will be on our terms, exactly the same as Walker.
Modric is one of the best midfielders in the world - we let him go very cheaply, partly because of the trouble he was causing.

But that wasn't the point I was making. Once MP agrees that Rose can go, then no-one is listening to any conditions - like as long as we get Martial or as long as the NHS gets £350m p/w.

To be fair, as long as we qualify for the CL, then I fully expect us to get a good replacement.
 

pffft

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There's a lot of people saying that we should simply refuse to sell Player X to Club Y as if that's an end to it, but you have to look a little further down the road than that.

The players we mainly target are young and full of potential, players who know themselves that they are very, very good. These players don't dream of playing for Spurs - they dream of playing for Real, Barca, Bayern, United, maybe Juventus. They want to play for the biggest clubs in the world. Or they want to earn a lot of money, and fancy PSG, City or Chelsea. And they see us as an ideal stepping stone. Develop their potential, lots of game time at the highest level, and when they are good enough that the big clubs come in for them, they want to move.

If we were to develop a reputation for constantly refusing players the moves they really want, they would simply not countenance coming to us. So not only is it in the players' interests to get their moves, long term it's also in our best interests, whether you like that or not. All we can do is get as much money as possible for them (and we've been pretty good at that), hope that the bids come from abroad (and we've not done too bad there), and reinvest in the next quality player that we'll one day have to sell (and we seem to be doing okay on that front too).

The only way around it is to try and produce a team of quality players who genuinely have dreamt their whole lives of playing for Spurs. It will probably never happen, but it might just. We've got one already, another well on the way, and a few more with potential. If we've got 18 quality players who've always dreamt of playing for Spurs things might change. Until then, this is how it is.

It's a basic principle of professional football- players get transferred, and the best players usually get transferred to the biggest clubs. And here's something else that will make you unhappy: even if we go on a tear for the next 20 years, we'll still be nowhere near as big a club as Real, Barca, United, Bayern or Juventus. Not even close.





tl:dr - No-one dreams of playing for Spurs except Spurs fans. Everyone else will probably leave if they are any good.
 
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Dennism

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And there is the difference. United want to win things...we don't. Which I guess proves Danny Rose's point.
The difference is not that we don't want to win things. It is that, sadly, they are in a different league from us financially.
 

DCSPUR

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And there is the difference. United want to win things...we don't. Which I guess proves Danny Rose's point.

ridiculous

Utd are a cash machine, one of three in the world (Real and Barca) that can financially go head to head with the petro clubs (Chelsea, PSG and Citeh).

As @Trix mentioned, sadly we can't afford to lose a 60 million fee by letting Danny rot in the reserves.

Just hope that a sale is for v. big money. They don't want Shaw so pushing for 60 million + Shaw is probably a 70 mill total bid....not far off Citeh's 55 million payment for Walker....and Rose is better.

Such a deal would get us Shaw, Sessegnon x 2, Sancho and Barkley for Rose....could live with that.
 

Bus-Conductor

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August:
I'd happily sell the chippy little fucker for stupid money now, he's nowhere near as great as he thinks he is, and go and offer what it takes to get Sessegnon (who's already a better attacker than Rose). Fucking sat around doing fuck all for 6 months talking about players we might have to google ? What like him ? Fucking stupid bumbaseed.

November:
As above with bells on.

I can't believe anyone would be heartbroken. Davies has improved radically for getting regular games to the point where at best there's nothing in it, he's even looking better going forward than Rose now:

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I'd take 40-50m yesterday if we could go and spend half of it on Sessegnon and put the rest toward a proper cm/8
 

Dov67

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He's played about 3 games in all of 2017.....we went on our best run last season without him......Davies has been excellent though not as eye catching as Rose, so I don't think it would be end of the world if he went.

But.....I don't want us selling to Man U.

We all thought we were really clever getting £54m for Walker but all we did was solve a major problem for Man City who are now 11 points ahead of us and we're not even in December yet.

I wouldn't say never ever sell to a rival but those deals are often ones you come to regret.

I'd keep the ungrateful little shit and tell him to prove he's as good as he thinks he is.
 

DJS

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I wonder if he's thrown toys out of pram as not been selected over Davies?

IF this is the case would show he up to be a complete nobber really considering he's been out so long and Davies has improved so much.

But hey ho it's all speculation at the moment, if he is causing issues again then we need to shift a.s.a.p. and get someone in.

Just bored of speculating about him really, last season would have been gutted if he left as well but now I'm a bit meh.
 
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