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coys200

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Strong argument this is best ever spurs team our front 3 are worth more than £400m imo.If we don’t win something in next 2 years has poch Actually under achieved? Or has poch made these players what they are ?
 

Woodyy

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Strong argument this is best ever spurs team our front 3 are worth more than £400m imo.If we don’t win something in next 2 years has poch Actually under achieved? Or has poch made these players what they are ?

They all owe a lot to Poch and are better players for playing/training under him, no doubt they'd all be top class players without Poch though.

We've got time anyway assuming we hold onto them, they're not even at their peak yet.
 

coys200

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MNF Analysis was pretty spot on. Dembele can not play at the base of a diamond,and our high line was naive against their front 3.Poch can self publicise all he likes he is in no way the finished article. Wenger out foxed him this time. Unfortunately in 3 big games Chelsea united and Arsenal poch has got his selection or game plan wrong. Of course on other occasions he has got it spectacularly right. But he is still as inconsistent as some of our players.
 

Streetspur77

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MNF Analysis was pretty spot on. Dembele can not play at the base of a diamond,and our high line was naive against their front 3.Poch can self publicise all he likes he is in no way the finished article. Wenger out foxed him this time. Unfortunately in 3 big games Chelsea united and Arsenal poch has got his selection or game plan wrong. Of course on other occasions he has got it spectacularly right. But he is still as inconsistent as some of our players.

What do you mean self publicise? He's never said he's perfect? There's a weird resentfulness towards poch on your two posts on this thread that I don't really understand.
 

ebzrascal

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I think Posh shows a lack ok of respect to some opposition and basically thinks we can impose our game and outlay them. So against Liverpool Dortmund and Madrid we played deep surrendered possession and essentially played on the break. Against Man United we played cautiously and to be fair that game could have gone either way. Against Chelsea went for a win when if he had been more pragmatic we woukd have had a draw. Against Arsenal away from home we play a high line with no defensive midfielder to pressure their ball playing midfielders Kane and Alli not up to speed and Eriksen probably drained from Denmark game and you have a recipe for disaster.

Should have played a much more compact formation and been a little less adventurous and made sure we got a point at least
 

coys200

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What do you mean self publicise? He's never said he's perfect? There's a weird resentfulness towards poch on your two posts on this thread that I don't really understand.
He’s just bought a book out about himself. That pretty much a big tick in the self publicise box. Imo my posts are factual. Our squad has been valued 2 nd to City. Before city emergence it was widely thought we had best starting xi. If this is true then you have to ask why haven’t we won anything in 4 seasons ( if we fail to this season). I think Poch is a fantastic manager and what he has done so far is great. But maybe he does lack just that little bit extra to get it over the line ,if that’s just experience or savvy who knows. But if people are continually saying our players could walk into Real Madrid and Barca teams at some point you have to ask the question why can’t we get over the line.
 

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MNF Analysis was pretty spot on. Dembele can not play at the base of a diamond,and our high line was naive against their front 3.Poch can self publicise all he likes he is in no way the finished article. Wenger out foxed him this time. Unfortunately in 3 big games Chelsea united and Arsenal poch has got his selection or game plan wrong. Of course on other occasions he has got it spectacularly right. But he is still as inconsistent as some of our players.

Wenger didn't out Fox him at all. He just played the same way he always plays. That's what makes Poch's tactics on this one even worse.
 

dricha1

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Wenger didn't out Fox him at all. He just played the same way he always plays. That's what makes Poch's tactics on this one even worse.

Wenger always manages to get his team up for NLD no matter what their recent form is. They out-battled and Out-muscled us and Poch didn’t seem to react. For once I was agreeing with Garth Crooks.

A high line against the better teams is okay at WHL but at bigger, away from home grounds, we invariably come unstuck.

We have a template for the big games now and that is how we played against Dortmund, Madrid and Liverpool.
 

rocklink

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Wenger always manages to get his team up for NLD no matter what their recent form is. They out-battled and Out-muscled us and Poch didn’t seem to react. For once I was agreeing with Garth Crooks.

A high line against the better teams is okay at WHL but at bigger, away from home grounds, we invariably come unstuck.

We have a template for the big games now and that is how we played against Dortmund, Madrid and Liverpool.

We needed to play this same formula against the likes of chelsea, arsenal, united no matter home or away ..
 

sunnydelight786

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He’s just bought a book out about himself. That pretty much a big tick in the self publicise box. Imo my posts are factual. Our squad has been valued 2 nd to City. Before city emergence it was widely thought we had best starting xi. If this is true then you have to ask why haven’t we won anything in 4 seasons ( if we fail to this season). I think Poch is a fantastic manager and what he has done so far is great. But maybe he does lack just that little bit extra to get it over the line ,if that’s just experience or savvy who knows. But if people are continually saying our players could walk into Real Madrid and Barca teams at some point you have to ask the question why can’t we get over the line.
Spot on. Everyone keeps on banging on about how great individual players are, team is, system is, style of play is, etc yet we have nothing to show for it. Some might say us fans are getting restless yet I bet you plenty of our own players are thinking the same about our lack of trophy success whilst enviously looking at their friend/old teammate earning loads more at City whilst playing good football & likely to win a trophy or 2.....
 

BringBack_leGin

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MNF Analysis was pretty spot on. Dembele can not play at the base of a diamond,and our high line was naive against their front 3.Poch can self publicise all he likes he is in no way the finished article. Wenger out foxed him this time. Unfortunately in 3 big games Chelsea united and Arsenal poch has got his selection or game plan wrong. Of course on other occasions he has got it spectacularly right. But he is still as inconsistent as some of our players.

Yes, Wenger outfoxed him this time. He outfoxed Wenger for the last 3 season’s. He lost to Conte and Mourinho. He beat the both last season and lost to them both last season. He twatted Liverpool, Dortmund and Madrid (twice) this season. He’s done all this spending a fraction of the other big teams.

He may not be perfect, and I would agree with that sentiment, but he’s still doing a brilliant job. The only conclusion to be drawn from our games v the other top sides is that the margins are so fine, one or two mistakes/ under performers will undo you. Criticise at the end of the season if our head to head v top 6 is inferior, not after 4 games.
 

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Strong argument this is best ever spurs team our front 3 are worth more than £400m imo.If we don’t win something in next 2 years has poch Actually under achieved? Or has poch made these players what they are ?
They are only worth £400m if anyone is prepared to pay that amount, and based on last weekends showing i doubt there are many digging deep into their pockets.
 

Hazelton

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I think people forget, particularly the media, that Poch is still a young coach himself. So much is made of our young, inexperienced squad, but Poch is going through this for the first time as well. We NEED to win something, anything. Once we do, we'll take that next step. I'm not worried, he and the squad still have plenty of time.
 

cozzo

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MNF Analysis was pretty spot on. Dembele can not play at the base of a diamond,and our high line was naive against their front 3.Poch can self publicise all he likes he is in no way the finished article. Wenger out foxed him this time. Unfortunately in 3 big games Chelsea united and Arsenal poch has got his selection or game plan wrong. Of course on other occasions he has got it spectacularly right. But he is still as inconsistent as some of our players.

We were very very unfortunate to lose that game
 

coys200

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I’m gonna sound like I’m having a pop ,and in a way I guess I am. I love Poch and everything he has done for us. But what I find hard to understand is starting dembele at the base of a diamond. But then to compound it after 30 mins I said to my mates he has to change this and get winks on it’s just not working. I’m sure I wasn’t the only one to say and see this. I’m not for a second Saying I know better than Poch of course not. But sometimes he just makes such glaring mistakes you can’t believe he can’t see it. It’s like 90% of time he is spot on and 10% it’s just un fathomable. He does seem to be a lot more experimental this season. Playing a diamond infront of a back 3 could be hailed as revolutionary or a bit naive against a top club. But as said he is still young and learning all the time I guess.
 

Hengy1

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I’m gonna sound like I’m having a pop ,and in a way I guess I am. I love Poch and everything he has done for us. But what I find hard to understand is starting dembele at the base of a diamond. But then to compound it after 30 mins I said to my mates he has to change this and get winks on it’s just not working. I’m sure I wasn’t the only one to say and see this. I’m not for a second Saying I know better than Poch of course not. But sometimes he just makes such glaring mistakes you can’t believe he can’t see it. It’s like 90% of time he is spot on and 10% it’s just un fathomable. He does seem to be a lot more experimental this season. Playing a diamond infront of a back 3 could be hailed as revolutionary or a bit naive against a top club. But as said he is still young and learning all the time I guess.
Maybe he knew Winks wasn’t fit enough to start or play longer than he did?
 

LexingtonSpurs

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I’m gonna sound like I’m having a pop ,and in a way I guess I am. I love Poch and everything he has done for us. But what I find hard to understand is starting dembele at the base of a diamond. But then to compound it after 30 mins I said to my mates he has to change this and get winks on it’s just not working. I’m sure I wasn’t the only one to say and see this. I’m not for a second Saying I know better than Poch of course not. But sometimes he just makes such glaring mistakes you can’t believe he can’t see it. It’s like 90% of time he is spot on and 10% it’s just un fathomable. He does seem to be a lot more experimental this season. Playing a diamond infront of a back 3 could be hailed as revolutionary or a bit naive against a top club. But as said he is still young and learning all the time I guess.
Simply can't play the same XI in every match.

Poch must manage the playing time of everyone in the squad - both to keep everyone healthy, but also to keep everyone's fitness levels up. With injuries and what not, that leads to some different line-ups...
 
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