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Bus-Conductor

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Love U BC, think you have a great mind for the game, but you are totally wrong about Walker and Trippier. Walker stretches defenses creating choas and space. Trippier is pinpoint, but extremely predictable and a lot more comfortable to play against. Trippier's # last year look so much better than walkers bc he was cherry picked games against some horrible sides, so the stats r slanted.
And finally defensively the 2 arent even comparable, Walkers one of the best defensive fullbacks in world football. It's a disgrace that we sold him to a league rival and I hope we dont make the same mistake with Rose.



Rose has played one league game in nearly a year and we've had our best PL finish without him, and also made our best PL start.


If Guardiola had signed Aurier instead of Walker, City would be playing exactly the same way and Aurier would be doing exactly the same kind of things Walker is. Both very decent, but neither are super intelligent.

Which is why we haven't missed Walker or Rose one bit.
 
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allpaths

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Rose has played one league game in nearly a year and we've had our best PL finish without him, and also made our best PL start.


If Guardiola had signed Aurier instead of Walker, City would be playing exactly the same way and Aurier would be doing exactly the same kind of things Walker is. Both very decent, but neither are super intelligent.

Which is why we haven't missed Walker or Rose one bit.
You're probably right about about City, though I do think that Walker was the best FB on the market last year as that's why he starts over Danilo.
But to say we havent missed Walker is bullshit, Kyle knew exactly how to play in the system and if he had an end protect he would have been an all time great. Aurier still finding his feet in the system and trying to build a understanding with other players. Trippier is a limited player.

We havent missed Rose as much because Davies is a wonderful player in his own right, that doesnt mean that Rose playing for Manchester United wouldntg be a massive boost for there squad.
 

C0YS

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Rose got better & better tonight. Affects the game in a way Davies can’t

Great performance considering how long he’s been out

Brilliant technical decision from Poch!
Thats unfair on Davies, he wasn't great on the weekend but this season Davies has created more chances than any other player in our team and is 7th in the league for overall chances with Davies creating 2.4 chances a game. Crazy stats

To put that in context the next defenders on the list is

26th Trippier - 1.6 chances a game
46th Moreno - 1.1 chances a game
47th Cresswell - 1.1 chances a game
52nd Young - 1 chances a game
53rd Daniels 1 chances a game
62nd Gomez - 1
63rd Baines - 1
65th Zabaleta - 0.9
69th Bertrand - 0.9
74th Fuches - 0.9
80th Bellerin - 0.8
86th Walker - 0.8

Davies wasn't good enough against Arsenal, but he has been very very good this season. Much better than some fans seem to realise. Rose was very promising tonight, and is beginning to show us the player he once was, after a pretty bad night out against Palace, but he has a serious fight on.

Davies is an improving young player, I'm yet to be convinced that Rose will ever be the player he once was and he has reached that age where time is against him. I'm happy to have them both back though, and hopefully they can both push each other on.
 

southlondonyiddo

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Thats unfair on Davies, he wasn't great on the weekend but this season Davies has created more chances than any other player in our team and is 7th in the league for overall chances with Davies creating 2.4 chances a game. Crazy stats

To put that in context the next defenders on the list is

26th Trippier - 1.6 chances a game
46th Moreno - 1.1 chances a game
47th Cresswell - 1.1 chances a game
52nd Young - 1 chances a game
53rd Daniels 1 chances a game
62nd Gomez - 1
63rd Baines - 1
65th Zabaleta - 0.9
69th Bertrand - 0.9
74th Fuches - 0.9
80th Bellerin - 0.8
86th Walker - 0.8

Davies wasn't good enough against Arsenal, but he has been very very good this season. Much better than some fans seem to realise. Rose was very promising tonight, and is beginning to show us the player he once was, after a pretty bad night out against Palace, but he has a serious fight on.

Davies is an improving young player, I'm yet to be convinced that Rose will ever be the player he once was and he has reached that age where time is against him. I'm happy to have them both back though, and hopefully they can both push each other on.


Davies and Rose are very different players and undoubtedly Davies has his strengths but I know who I’d rather have in my team

Also unfortunately I wouldn’t cross the road to watch Davies but Rose can get you off your seat

Harsh but true
 

Kiedis

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Hugely uplifting how his performance got better and better during the course of the game. There was a moment about ten minutes into the second half where I thought he looked knackered, but after that he just got progressively better. Good to see that his fitness levels and confidence seem to be getting back on track.
 

spursfan77

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Poch got it right then. Rose looked match fit last night for the first time and he got a good performance out of the player.

After the game Jenas said that he'd spoken to Rose about Saturday and he said that Rose told him he felt fully fit. But obviously the coaches didn't hence the extra training.

Hard to know based on that if there was an arguements but you'd expect Rose to take not playing badly. Jenas did seem to be being reserved with what he was telling the cameras.
 

spursfan77

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All of the top sides including ourselves will be after him, hopefully he makes the right footballing decision.

Spoke to someone last week who knows the player and his future is definitely still not decided. It didn't sound like he was going to be moving anywhere in January that's for sure.

I should hopefully be able to find out more as the season progresses
 

Wellspurs

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Thats unfair on Davies, he wasn't great on the weekend but this season Davies has created more chances than any other player in our team and is 7th in the league for overall chances with Davies creating 2.4 chances a game. Crazy stats

To put that in context the next defenders on the list is

26th Trippier - 1.6 chances a game
46th Moreno - 1.1 chances a game
47th Cresswell - 1.1 chances a game
52nd Young - 1 chances a game
53rd Daniels 1 chances a game
62nd Gomez - 1
63rd Baines - 1
65th Zabaleta - 0.9
69th Bertrand - 0.9
74th Fuches - 0.9
80th Bellerin - 0.8
86th Walker - 0.8

Davies wasn't good enough against Arsenal, but he has been very very good this season. Much better than some fans seem to realise. Rose was very promising tonight, and is beginning to show us the player he once was, after a pretty bad night out against Palace, but he has a serious fight on.

Davies is an improving young player, I'm yet to be convinced that Rose will ever be the player he once was and he has reached that age where time is against him. I'm happy to have them both back though, and hopefully they can both push each other on.
Thats unfair on Davies, he wasn't great on the weekend but this season Davies has created more chances than any other player in our team and is 7th in the league for overall chances with Davies creating 2.4 chances a game. Crazy stats

To put that in context the next defenders on the list is

26th Trippier - 1.6 chances a game
46th Moreno - 1.1 chances a game
47th Cresswell - 1.1 chances a game
52nd Young - 1 chances a game
53rd Daniels 1 chances a game
62nd Gomez - 1
63rd Baines - 1
65th Zabaleta - 0.9
69th Bertrand - 0.9
74th Fuches - 0.9
80th Bellerin - 0.8
86th Walker - 0.8

Davies wasn't good enough against Arsenal, but he has been very very good this season. Much better than some fans seem to realise. Rose was very promising tonight, and is beginning to show us the player he once was, after a pretty bad night out against Palace, but he has a serious fight on.

Davies is an improving young player, I'm yet to be convinced that Rose will ever be the player he once was and he has reached that age where time is against him. I'm happy to have them both back though, and hopefully they can both push each other on.

He's also 3 years younger!
 

sunnydelight786

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Rose didn’t start off too well last but got better and better as the game went on. Seemed like he got his confidence back and that can only be a good thing for us.

Rose made a point of coming over to us away fans after the game whilst the others were celebrating the opposite side to which us away fans responded with his chant. No hatred or abuse from the away followers as opposed to on here or Twitter :rolleyes:
 

Trix

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Poch got it right then. Rose looked match fit last night for the first time and he got a good performance out of the player.

After the game Jenas said that he'd spoken to Rose about Saturday and he said that Rose told him he felt fully fit. But obviously the coaches didn't hence the extra training.

Hard to know based on that if there was an arguements but you'd expect Rose to take not playing badly. Jenas did seem to be being reserved with what he was telling the cameras.

He's had one extra training session by not playing at the weekend. Wouldnt have made all that much difference.

From what I hear he was down to be on the bench(maybe due to fitness), but took umbrage with that. Hopefully being left out completely has given him the reality check he needed, that he plays when the manager says and will play as long as he toes the line.
 

Spurs_Bear

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And yet when both players played for the same club (us) with the same players in the same season, Trippier's assist rate and chance creation rate absolutely pissed all over Walker's. In fact even this season, despite Walker playing with some of the best attacking players in the best attacking team the PL has ever seen, Tripper is still more creative:

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Go figure.

I wish you would.
 

stevenurse

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The Mrs pointed him out yesterday as being chunky. Still has a way to go to get back to his best but no doubt he'll get there. Just hope he behaves himself and knuckles down instead of being a dickhead
 

theShiznit

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Great alternative to Davies if he can get back to where he was. Davies is the better passer but Rise more dynamic and can beat a man.
Grew into it last night but still nowhere near where he was in terms of form or fitness.

Anyone see the video interview on sky?
"no fall out, no bust up, I was fuming to miss the biggest game of the season, but it seems the manager was right"

So that seems good to hear. He'll get more game time if he cracks on like he did last night.
 

coys200

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Noticed in team dressing room after game he had massive ice pack on his knee. Is that normal after long term injury,I’ve no idea. But maybe his career will have to be managed from here. Which could seriously impact any big transfer.
 

Bobbins

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Interview in the Standard, says a lot but refers to “this season” four times - he’s definitely off in the summer, as we have suspected.

There’s more at the link but I can’t paste the whole thing as I’m on my phone:

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...am-star-denies-falling-out-with-a3698136.html

Speaking for the first time about being dropped, Rose said: “My reaction was I was fuming, I was angry. But understanding, at the same time. There has been no bust-up, there has been no argument. There has been no falling out. The manager explained he thought it’d be better for me to do a hard session on Saturday, which I did.

“I understand there have been a lot of reports but they are not welcomed and they are not true.

Asked whether he felt fit to play against the Gunners, Rose said: “I don’t know. Whatever fitness I have, I still feel I’m one of the best in the League, I believe in my ability.

“At Tottenham, you have to have an exceptional level of fitness. I’m not there yet because I’ve been out for a long time. I’m still catching up.

“I wasn’t happy [with being left out] but it’s gone now, we all have to move on. When I get the opportunity to play, like I did last night, I have to try to do as well as I can.”

Speculation persisted over the weekend that Rose could make a £40million move to Manchester United in the January transfer window but the left-back (left, in action last night) told Standard Sport: “I’ve said in most interviews I’ve done this season that I want to contribute to Tottenham winning something this season.

“Nothing has changed. Everyone just needs to understand that me and the manager want the same thing for this season: we want to win something.

“So I’m on the same page, I’m fully focused on playing as many games as I can for Tottenham, contributing to something beautiful, successful this season.
 

degoose

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Interview in the Standard, says a lot but refers to “this season” four times - he’s definitely off in the summer, as we have suspected.

There’s more at the link but I can’t paste the whole thing as I’m on my phone:

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...am-star-denies-falling-out-with-a3698136.html

Speaking for the first time about being dropped, Rose said: “My reaction was I was fuming, I was angry. But understanding, at the same time. There has been no bust-up, there has been no argument. There has been no falling out. The manager explained he thought it’d be better for me to do a hard session on Saturday, which I did.

“I understand there have been a lot of reports but they are not welcomed and they are not true.

Asked whether he felt fit to play against the Gunners, Rose said: “I don’t know. Whatever fitness I have, I still feel I’m one of the best in the League, I believe in my ability.

“At Tottenham, you have to have an exceptional level of fitness. I’m not there yet because I’ve been out for a long time. I’m still catching up.

“I wasn’t happy [with being left out] but it’s gone now, we all have to move on. When I get the opportunity to play, like I did last night, I have to try to do as well as I can.”

Speculation persisted over the weekend that Rose could make a £40million move to Manchester United in the January transfer window but the left-back (left, in action last night) told Standard Sport: “I’ve said in most interviews I’ve done this season that I want to contribute to Tottenham winning something this season.

“Nothing has changed. Everyone just needs to understand that me and the manager want the same thing for this season: we want to win something.

“So I’m on the same page, I’m fully focused on playing as many games as I can for Tottenham, contributing to something beautiful, successful this season.

My thoughts were that Poch rotates full backs and Davies is fully fit so starts against Arsenal. That's about it really.

If Rose does go i wouldn't mind a swap with Luke Shaw. He was great for Poch and has been unlucky with the big injury he had and he is very young so has lots of time to heal and improve again.
 

thebenjamin

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My thoughts were that Poch rotates full backs and Davies is fully fit so starts against Arsenal. That's about it really.

If Rose does go i wouldn't mind a swap with Luke Shaw. He was great for Poch and has been unlucky with the big injury he had and he is very young so has lots of time to heal and improve again.

If you read Pochettino's book you'd change your mind. He's scathing about Shaw's professionalism.

Straight swap for Martial or jog on.
 

Bus-Conductor

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You're probably right about about City, though I do think that Walker was the best FB on the market last year as that's why he starts over Danilo.
But to say we havent missed Walker is bullshit, Kyle knew exactly how to play in the system and if he had an end protect he would have been an all time great. Aurier still finding his feet in the system and trying to build a understanding with other players. Trippier is a limited player.

We havent missed Rose as much because Davies is a wonderful player in his own right, that doesnt mean that Rose playing for Manchester United wouldntg be a massive boost for there squad.


But he didn't have an end product, and in our system that's massively important, which is why what you are arguing is spurious at best and plain wrong at worst.

So yes, Trippier has some limitations, but so did Walker. And we have had better results with Trippier than we did with Walker, and while that doesn't categorically prove anything about the two individually, what it does do, is not support your theory that Walker's flaws were better for us as a team than Trippier's are. The offensive dynamics of our team have improved and the defensive performance hasn't deteriorated at all.

Rose is good, so is Davies, but these players are better because of how they have been coached and the system we play. If Rose goes to ManU, is he going to be encouraged to spend half the game in the opponents half, looking like a marauding WB as he does now ? He will improve them because right now, they effectively haven't got a LB at all. But any half decent LB would improve them. Like Alonso, a player who couldn't make it at Sunderland, helped Chelsea win the league.

I think Rose, like Walker isn't the cleverest. Just like Walker, he's a willing runner up and down, but what he does when he gets there isn't actually very intelligent or composed most of the time, and I believe we can improve on that, and in Davies, I think we already have to a degree, again, without too much defensive compromise (most on here kept telling me Davies was better defensively - I'm not so sure myself) so it just shows it's possible. There are players out there who have pace and a bit more intelligence and composure, they jus need polishing. Look at Mendy who City bought, Monaco bought him for 10m and he is already better than Rose.

I'm not sure if you listen to any of the good football pods but some of the decent journos on there were saying exactly the same about walker, and even yesterday Marchoti and Laurens were saying similar about Rose. These aren't world class players. They are good, but not stellar payers impossible to replace, especially when you are getting 40-50m. We replaced Walker with an identical player, three years younger for half the price.
 
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