Christian Eriksen

stevenurse · Nov 30, 2017

Japhet said:
The main problem is that he and Alli have both hit a bad patch at the same time. Not only are they failing to score or assist, they are also both coughing up possession cheaply which is causing us major problems.

Can't agree that Alli is failing to assist. 2 against Dortmund and 1 against Burnley. Prior to that, he had average games v Palace and Arsenal but had also scored 2 v Madrid.

Eriksen's output has been disappointing after his exploits for Denmark but he's been run into the ground. Rest him this weekend for as long as Lamela can play and leave him out completely against Apoel

Japhet · Nov 30, 2017

stevenurse said:
Can't agree that Alli is failing to assist. 2 against Dortmund and 1 against Burnley. Prior to that, he had average games v Palace and Arsenal but had also scored 2 v Madrid.

Eriksen's output has been disappointing after his exploits for Denmark but he's been run into the ground. Rest him this weekend for as long as Lamela can play and leave him out completely against Apoel

Fair point. I think our forward players are generally making poor decisions at the moment though. Harry Kane is one of the worst offenders. If you watch City, their attack seems to work as a cohesive unit with the same goal - get the thing in the net and it doesn't matter who gets the final touch.

daryl hannah · Nov 30, 2017

Japhet said:
Fair point. I think our forward players are generally making poor decisions at the moment though. Harry Kane is one of the worst offenders. If you watch City, their attack seems to work as a cohesive unit with the same goal - get the thing in the net and it doesn't matter who gets the final touch.

Watched the Leicester game again - Kane failed to pass the ball to players in better space at least twice. He's single minded and will always take the shot on - that's what got him to where he is today.

Eriksen does need a rest - wasn't so long ago he was performing at a very high level. Reminds me of last season when he had a slow start and everyone was talking about his contract being the issue. A couple of months later and he turned it around. I think he'll be alright in the new year.

Mrs VDV · Nov 30, 2017

Eriksen's last PL assist was the opening day of the season.

Bus-Conductor · Nov 30, 2017

Let's remember that the thing with Eriksen is, even when he's not scoring and assisting we are still getting more involvement and contribution to our general play from him than we get from any other of our forward players.

He still needs resting - and I've been saying that for a couple of weeks - but lets keep perspective. Even on his worst days Eriksen can often contribute more than some on their good days.

Japhet · Nov 30, 2017

daryl hannah said:
Watched the Leicester game again - Kane failed to pass the ball to players in better space at least twice. He's single minded and will always take the shot on - that's what got him to where he is today.

Eriksen does need a rest - wasn't so long ago he was performing at a very high level. Reminds me of last season when he had a slow start and everyone was talking about his contract being the issue. A couple of months later and he turned it around. I think he'll be alright in the new year.

It certainly is what got Kane to where he is today. My point is that it's much easier to defend when you're 100% sure the player isn't going to pass than it is when you're in 2 minds. City are tearing defences apart because they are prepared to set each other up in front of goal. It gets to the point where our other attackers don't seem to bother finding space because they know what's about to happen as well. It gets a bit ridiculous when he's taking pot shots from 35 yds or attempting impossible finishes. I love Harry to bits - we all do, but he needs to broaden his palette a bit which will make him even more of a handful and benefit the team at the same time.

As for Eriksen,he's played through bad patches before but this is a very long one. I hope he can turn it around soon, but failing that, I hope Lamela gets a chance to play at 10 and give him rest/competition.

dagraham · Nov 30, 2017

Bus-Conductor said:
Let's remember that the thing with Eriksen is, even when he's not scoring and assisting we are still getting more involvement and contribution to our general play from him than we get from any other of our forward players.

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He still needs resting - and I've been saying that for a couple of weeks - but lets keep perspective. Even on his worst days Eriksen can often contribute more than some on their good days.

I don't think anyone disputes Eriksen's importance to the team. Behind Kane he's probably our most important player. It's the reason why so many thought the last transfer window was unsuccessful because we didn't buy anyone who could compliment him, challenge him or cover for him.

Doesn't mean he couldn't do with a general reminder that he hasn't got a divine right to be in the team and just phone his performance in. Lamela's return gives Poch the opportunity to make this very point.

There is also his general passiveness and his habit of going missing in the bigger games (especially away from home). He's a fantastic player, but it's this last point that imo stops him from being truly world class.

Bus-Conductor · Nov 30, 2017

dagraham said:
I don't think anyone disputes Eriksen's importance to the team. Behind Kane he's probably our most important player. It's the reason why so many thought the last transfer window was unsuccessful because we didn't buy anyone who could compliment him, challenge him or cover for him.

Doesn't mean he couldn't do with a general reminder that he hasn't got a divine right to be in the team and just phone his performance in. Lamela's return gives Poch the opportunity to make this very point.

There is also his general passiveness and his habit of going missing in the bigger games (especially away from home). He's a fantastic player, but it's this last point that imo stops him from being truly world class.

I don't think he is "passive" he's just not naturally aggressive or tenacious, he actually presses better than Alli, Son and Kane most of the time - in that he uses his brain and applies the press intelligently. And I don't think he goes missing any more than most other players - and not just for us but most teams - in big games, big games are always just collectively tougher. You'll find the records and performances of most of the top players are inferior away at the other top teams or in big games generally.

He needs dropping/resting. But then so does Alli and so does Kane, all of whom have been underperforming. I would have rested both Alli and Eriksen for Leicester. Klopp has done it with Firminho, Mane and Salah.

werty · Nov 30, 2017

agrdavidsfan said:
That was probably my final straw with him last night if he starts vs Watford I may not even watch it.

He’s spending to much time avoiding getting hurt to be fit for his World Cup outing there no excuse for even his passing being off!

Absolutely dreadful

Eriksen has always shied away from tackles and would lose 80-20 challenges which were in his favour. To say he's doing it now to avoid getting hurt for the World Cup is just plainly wrong.

stevenurse · Nov 30, 2017

I think that's right, the only criticism anyone can lay at Kane is that he's generally quite greedy, which all great strikers are, he just loves to score goals. But it's at times at the detriment to the team when he's trying 35 yard volleys.

It's no surprise he's had the most shots in the league, with something like 25 more shots than anyone else this season.

Kiedis · Nov 30, 2017

Japhet said:
It certainly is what got Kane to where he is today. My point is that it's much easier to defend when you're 100% sure the player isn't going to pass than it is when you're in 2 minds. City are tearing defences apart because they are prepared to set each other up in front of goal. It gets to the point where our other attackers don't seem to bother finding space because they know what's about to happen as well. It gets a bit ridiculous when he's taking pot shots from 35 yds or attempting impossible finishes. I love Harry to bits - we all do, but he needs to broaden his palette a bit which will make him even more of a handful and benefit the team at the same time.

Agreed. Rembember the through ball for Dier in the opening game of the 14/15 season? He probably would've taken a shot from that distance these days.

Mrs VDV · Nov 30, 2017

Bus-Conductor said:
Let's remember that the thing with Eriksen is, even when he's not scoring and assisting we are still getting more involvement and contribution to our general play from him than we get from any other of our forward players.

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He still needs resting - and I've been saying that for a couple of weeks - but lets keep perspective. Even on his worst days Eriksen can often contribute more than some on their good days.

He plays in a deeper role than the two you're comparing him to, so of course he is going to make more successful passes. What that stat fails to take into consideration is the type of pass (sideways 5 yards or through ball like Lamela's assist), how many attempted, difficulty etc. Does it include set pieces? He takes the majority, obviously he is going to "create chances", whatever that means.

It's laughable to suggest his performances of late have been better than other players good performances, he has been absolutely shocking. Everyone knows he has the ability but it's quite evident he doesn't have the desire to put 100% in for Spurs on a World Cup year and for that reason, he will never move to a bigger club than us.

Thankfully for us, Lamela is back and although it appears Eriksen is unstoppable, I hope we can see a spell on the bench for him.

steve · Nov 30, 2017

Bus-Conductor said:
I don't think he is "passive" he's just not naturally aggressive or tenacious, he actually presses better than Alli, Son and Kane most of the time - in that he uses his brain and applies the press intelligently. And I don't think he goes missing any more than most other players - and not just for us but most teams - in big games, big games are always just collectively tougher. You'll find the records and performances of most of the top players are inferior away at the other top teams or in big games generally.

He needs dropping/resting. But then so does Alli and so does Kane, all of whom have been underperforming. I would have rested both Alli and Eriksen for Leicester. Klopp has done it with Firminho, Mane and Salah.

werty said:
Eriksen has always shied away from tackles and would lose 80-20 challenges which were in his favour. To say he's doing it now to avoid getting hurt for the World Cup is just plainly wrong.

Agree with these, it's not his way to crunch into tackles, never has been, never will be...plus side is he rarely gets injured

Cravenspurs · Nov 30, 2017

Mrs VDV said:
He plays in a deeper role than the two you're comparing him to, so of course he is going to make more successful passes. What that stat fails to take into consideration is the type of pass (sideways 5 yards or through ball like Lamela's assist), how many attempted, difficulty etc. Does it include set pieces? He takes the majority, obviously he is going to "create chances", whatever that means.

It's laughable to suggest his performances of late have been better than other players good performances, he has been absolutely shocking. Everyone knows he has the ability but it's quite evident he doesn't have the desire to put 100% in for Spurs on a World Cup year and for that reason, he will never move to a bigger club than us.

Thankfully for us, Lamela is back and although it appears Eriksen is unstoppable, I hope we can see a spell on the bench for him.

Agreed until that bolded part. I don't think he is throwing in the towel. And I don't think he is undroppable. I think Poch realizes he has very few options outside untested youth on the bench and thus must put on his best options.

tiger666 · Dec 1, 2017

Mrs VDV said:
Eriksen's last PL assist was the opening day of the season.

He has 3 goals 3 assists. This time last season he had 1 goal 3 assists and finished second in the league for assists and 7th for goals.

nailsy · Dec 2, 2017

tiger666 said:
He has 3 goals 3 assists. This time last season he had 1 goal 3 assists and finished second in the league for assists and 7th for goals.

He got three assists in the first two weeks of the season, so he has gone a while without getting another one. I'm not really sure it's a big deal though. Modric didn't get many assists when he was here and he was still very influential.
The guy obviously needs a rest though. I'm sure Poch will make the call soon.

thelak · Dec 2, 2017

Ericksen is our best player IMO. Hazard had a whole season off but is still Chelsea’s best player

For me it as many things always come back to for me but down to Levy not paying up for some healthy competition. Maybe Lamela can offer it now he’s back

rossdapep · Dec 2, 2017

Think he'll have a say in today's result.

Doctor Dinkey · Dec 2, 2017

rossdapep said:
Think he'll have a say in today's result.

Own goal off his backside?

rossdapep · Dec 2, 2017

Doctor Dinkey said:
Own goal off his backside?

In a positive manner.....

Almost an own goal off his backside that hits the post but goes in at the other end

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