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Who should be 'rested'?


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Reece

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May 27, 2005
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We're in a bad patch. Just how it is. We'll come through it but we're not gonna be anywhere near where we want to be this season. Wembley form will affect our away form, and home form is always key to success.
 

Dzejkob

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Aug 13, 2012
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Back above Burnley, point gain to arsenal.

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sak11

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That stat is dependent on the quality of players that can be brought on. If you bring on Salah or Mané, then it's likely to have more effect than some of the players we can bring on.

I agree... so why bring on sissoko first rather than Lamela or winks or just about anyone in our squad who can control a football?
 

Sweetsman

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Jan 30, 2011
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I agree... so why bring on sissoko first rather than Lamela or winks or just about anyone in our squad who can control a football?
Look, I'm sorry if some of you can't accept the fact that Sissoko isn't whatever it is you thought you were getting. He was brought on because he moves the play forward, and this was crucial when we had just lost a central defender. His play kept pressure off the defence. His positioning in games is excellent and you don't see him caught out of position. This is why Poch uses him and why he's in the French national team. He brought the ball out well in one move and it was Kane's poor touch that not only caused the move to break down, but also put us in trouble with their counter attack. But i don't remember you saying anything about that. I expect the same rubbish to come Lamela's way from the same smackheads who used to constantly moan about him, again because he wasn't what their tiny little minds had imagined.
 
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Streetspur77

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Jul 20, 2017
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It is ok.
We are really, really good. We are just unlucky. Such a shame that the ref/the woodwork/the FA/the media is against us, because really without that, we'd be the best. So anybody critical should chill out. :rolleyes:

I know you're joking but most that is correct, apart from being "the best".

Obviously we could be playing better atm BUT we are really,really good, we are unlucky at the moment, the media have turned on us after building up so high, we have been unlucky with refs recently and everyone wetting their bed should chill out, we are only 4 points off 4th

So nice post(y)
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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Look, I'm sorry if some of you can't accept the fact that Sissoko isn't whatever it is you thought you were getting. He was brought on because he moves the play forward, and this was crucial when we had just lost a central defender. His play kept pressure off the defence. His positioning in games is excellent and you don't see him caught out of position. This is why Poch uses him and why he's in the French national team. He brought the ball out well in one move and it was Kane's poor touch that not only caused the move to break down, but also put us in trouble with their counter attack. But i don't remember you saying anything about that. I expect the same rubbish to come Lamela's way from the same smackheads who used to constantly moan about him, again because he wasn't what their tiny little minds had imagined.
You're absolutely right with what you are saying. The only problem I have with Sissoko is that he's never going to make a huge contribution in terms of winning us a game. I had no qualms with Sissoko coming on in that situation because we needed someone to contribute defensively as Eriksen looked spent and as you say his positioning is great. However, against WBA, Leicester etc we can't turn to Sissoko and think "He will change the game for us" and this is precisely why ppl are concerned, it's not especially Sissoko' s fault, he has his qualities but he's never going to be a player who'll win us a game when we are up against it. If we'd have bothered to bring in another attacking player who offers something different then I'm pretty sure Sissoko wouldn't be getting so much stick as ppl wouldn't be focusing on what he can't do.
 

glacierSpurs

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Sep 28, 2013
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I'm not sure if now is too late to do this, but Poch gotta start meaningful rotation, especially Dele and Eriksen had been so poor. KWP deserves a start in UCL, as do Foyth now. And if they performs good, start them in league games. We need strength in depth. Dele and Eriksen as impact subs may even gives them higher confidence to make things happen.

Even Llorente can start for all I care. Cos if Kane coming on for a fit 30 minutes could be better than ragged for 90.

The entire team must feel competitive to contribute regardless the minutes played. Only Lamela feels like that at the moment. Not starting certain player and playing them as impact subs could be a way to reinvigorate their competitive edge.
 

glacierSpurs

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Sep 28, 2013
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Look, I'm sorry if some of you can't accept the fact that Sissoko isn't whatever it is you thought you were getting. He was brought on because he moves the play forward, and this was crucial when we had just lost a central defender. His play kept pressure off the defence. His positioning in games is excellent and you don't see him caught out of position. This is why Poch uses him and why he's in the French national team. He brought the ball out well in one move and it was Kane's poor touch that not only caused the move to break down, but also put us in trouble with their counter attack. But i don't remember you saying anything about that. I expect the same rubbish to come Lamela's way from the same smackheads who used to constantly moan about him, again because he wasn't what their tiny little minds had imagined.
This. Sissoko was a wicked sub to beef the midfield for us being a man down.
 

sebo_sek

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Jun 2, 2005
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I agree... so why bring on sissoko first rather than Lamela or winks or just about anyone in our squad who can control a football?
What, as if Eriksen, Kane or Dele could yesterday. Stop with this anti-Sissoko rhetoric. It's cliche and boring. He was good when he came on and had one or two really good passes and runs. Kane couldn't control the ball at all yesterday, and Dele to be honest was a waste of space. Even Dembele had problems with ball control, and Erisken other than the ONE stellar pass, did sweet FA. So laying it into Sissoko is intelectual laziness. Lamela actually squandered a really promising counter, cos he wanted to take on 3 people.
Sorry but this "bad patch" we're in, is much more than that. Rose-tinted glasses are not gonna change that.
Another really soft goal conceded, and this time round we really did not create much. Other than the first 5 minutes and the goal, I can't remember any threat from us. ANY. Sorry, but I'll call how I see it. And don't ask me for solutions as I'm not paid several million pounds a year to come up with them.
 

sebo_sek

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Jun 2, 2005
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I know you're joking but most that is correct, apart from being "the best".

Obviously we could be playing better atm BUT we are really,really good, we are unlucky at the moment, the media have turned on us after building up so high, we have been unlucky with refs recently and everyone wetting their bed should chill out, we are only 4 points off 4th

So nice post(y)
Right now it's only 4 points off fourth, soon it will be 4 pts off 6th and so on. Luck has got nothing to do with it. If you can't see the abyss in quality between now and a month and a half ago, then mate, there is little that is going to convice you that we're in MAJOR crisis mode right now. This is not some little run of bad results. We get outplayed by the big and the small. Results are one thing but this team has lost its edge. That is where the crisis is.
 

tiger666

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Jan 4, 2005
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Right now it's only 4 points off fourth, soon it will be 4 pts off 6th and so on. Luck has got nothing to do with it. If you can't see the abyss in quality between now and a month and a half ago, then mate, there is little that is going to convice you that we're in MAJOR crisis mode right now. This is not some little run of bad results. We get outplayed by the big and the small. Results are one thing but this team has lost its edge. That is where the crisis is.

It is not a MAJOR crisis.
 

shelfboy68

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I know you're joking but most that is correct, apart from being "the best".

Obviously we could be playing better atm BUT we are really,really good, we are unlucky at the moment, the media have turned on us after building up so high, we have been unlucky with refs recently and everyone wetting their bed should chill out, we are only 4 points off 4th

So nice post(y)
The media haven't turned on us they are doing what they have always done and that is when your playing well then your teacher's pet sitting at the front row, but when your not as good you sit at the back of the class until good again.
This isn't specific to us this is done to every sports person or actor around so no siege mentality is required.
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
Jun 20, 2012
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Look, I'm sorry if some of you can't accept the fact that Sissoko isn't whatever it is you thought you were getting. He was brought on because he moves the play forward, and this was crucial when we had just lost a central defender. His play kept pressure off the defence. His positioning in games is excellent and you don't see him caught out of position. This is why Poch uses him and why he's in the French national team. He brought the ball out well in one move and it was Kane's poor touch that not only caused the move to break down, but also put us in trouble with their counter attack. But i don't remember you saying anything about that. I expect the same rubbish to come Lamela's way from the same smackheads who used to constantly moan about him, again because he wasn't what their tiny little minds had imagined.
This 100%, someone in the match ratings thread has Sissoko as our worst player yesterday....I know most of it is probably agenda driven, but it really does illustrate a complete lack of understanding.
 

tiger666

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Jan 4, 2005
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1 win in 6 now is it? We can't put more than one past teams we steamrolled over last season... And they play tactically better than us... No, you're right...

Still doesn't make it a major crisis. A lost dressing room, player revolt, an approach for your manager maybe. West Ham are in major crisis. We aren't.
 

WexfordTownSpur

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Aug 2, 2007
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I know you're joking but most that is correct, apart from being "the best".

Obviously we could be playing better atm BUT we are really,really good, we are unlucky at the moment, the media have turned on us after building up so high, we have been unlucky with refs recently and everyone wetting their bed should chill out, we are only 4 points off 4th

So nice post(y)
I think the real problem for most is only a month or so ago we were third and now we are 7 points off third. It all happened so quickly. I think we started the season ok and teams like Liverpool and Arsenal had bad starts. It seems to have totally reversed itself in the last month and we are sitting in 6th and challenging for 4th now seems a tough task!
Wanyama has been a big loss but Toby is bigger, getting Rose and Lamela back is good but as we can see it is going to take some time for them to get back to their best, if they even do this season. Our best hope is Foyth is the find of the season, Dier goes back to playing his best football in his MF role and Eriksen and Alli get ther form back and if they do Kane will score goals.
 

Sweetsman

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Jan 30, 2011
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Right now it's only 4 points off fourth, soon it will be 4 pts off 6th and so on. Luck has got nothing to do with it. If you can't see the abyss in quality between now and a month and a half ago, then mate, there is little that is going to convice you that we're in MAJOR crisis mode right now. This is not some little run of bad results. We get outplayed by the big and the small. Results are one thing but this team has lost its edge. That is where the crisis is.
We're the second highest team in the league in terms to chances created. This does not constitute a crisis. I'm more interested in how we are playing and apart from starting games slowly, our play warrants more goals than we are getting. Yesterday, we showed steel in not losing.
Anyway, don't worry. You're not having to listen to a Cockney w*r on e-Spurs podcast, not the host, banging on about being old school and preferring cups over everything else. Londoners are such moaners.
 
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