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Clattenberg: "My game was to let Tottenham lose the title"

dagraham

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There are two parts to this story.

1) Did C***berg cost us the title? : No, and we'd be better served as a club (manager, players, fans ) looking at our own clubs failings for reasons we didn't.

2) Was C***berg responsible for a shocking refereeing performance that he's trying to back away from with some typical egotistical and unprofessional guff? : Yes.
 
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I can't believe there is not more being made of the fact a premier league referee has admitted to purposely going against the laws of the game in order to affect its outcome.
C'mon Trix, in your heart of hearts you know the answer to this.

Besides it being water under the bridge if they open up Pandora's (Clattenburgs) box all sorts of shit could hit the fan.

I doubt Sky will touch it, can't have it affect those at the top of our game either ...
 

Trix

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C'mon Trix, in your heart of hearts you know the answer to this.

Besides it being water under the bridge if they open up Pandora's (Clattenburgs) box all sorts of shit could hit the fan.

I doubt Sky will touch it, can't have it affect those at the top of our game either ...


Like I said mate. The effect on that one game is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. It's the wider issue of how many other decisions in other crucial matches did he not give. Could he have single handedly caused teams to be relegated with individual decisions he knew to be incorrect?
 

WorcesterTHFC

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I can't believe there is not more being made of the fact a premier league referee has admitted to purposely going against the laws of the game in order to affect its outcome.
Anybody might think Clattenburg had money riding on the outcome of that particular game or the title race. The PL don't do themselves any favours by allowing its games to be broadcast (and televised live, for crying out loud) in several Asian countries where gambling is illegal but still widespread. You don't need to be too bright to figure that if certain commodities or activities are illegal, the underworld will control the supply of said commodities and activities to those who want to indulge. As the Asian underworld is so powerful, it would be naïve to think that no official has ever been on the take. Clattenburg's business debts, which were the subject of an investigation (not sure whether it was by the FA or PL) could make him especially prone to being targeted by the mob. When Clattenburg's debts became known, the FA should have relieved him of all involvement in the professional game, for the good of the individual and the game as a whole. The PL could also do itself and footie as a whole a big favour by not allowing its games to be broadcast in those Asian countries.
Wait a minute...who am I trying to kid on those last two points? Will the FA/PL ever show any integrity or common sense? Probably not.
 

tiger666

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Anybody might think Clattenburg had money riding on the outcome of that particular game or the title race. The PL don't do themselves any favours by allowing its games to be broadcast (and televised live, for crying out loud) in several Asian countries where gambling is illegal but still widespread. You don't need to be too bright to figure that if certain commodities or activities are illegal, the underworld will control the supply of said commodities and activities to those who want to indulge. As the Asian underworld is so powerful, it would be naïve to think that no official has ever been on the take. Clattenburg's business debts, which were the subject of an investigation (not sure whether it was by the FA or PL) could make him especially prone to being targeted by the mob. When Clattenburg's debts became known, the FA should have relieved him of all involvement in the professional game, for the good of the individual and the game as a whole. The PL could also do itself and footie as a whole a big favour by not allowing its games to be broadcast in those Asian countries.
Wait a minute...who am I trying to kid on those last two points? Will the FA/PL ever show any integrity or common sense? Probably not.

Are we blaming Asians for corruption in football now?
 

WorcesterTHFC

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Are we blaming Asians for corruption in football now?
No, just criminal organisations. (If my post appeared to be xenophobic, that was definitely not my intention.) If off-course gambling were still illegal here in the UK, you can be sure that gangs based in London, Liverpool, Glasgow or wherever would be heavily involved, as used to happen until the government made betting shops legal in the 50s or 60s.

But, as I said in my earlier post, it's stupid of the PL to allow its games to be broadcast in countries where illegal gambling is known to be so widespread.
 
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kr1978

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I can't believe there is not more being made of the fact a premier league referee has admitted to purposely going against the laws of the game in order to affect its outcome.

That is not an area that anybody at the top of the game wants to go poking in, they will be more than happy to sit this out for a couple of days and hope it goes away.

Far too much money involved in the premier league ‘brand’
 

DJS

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Very poor show from him and a complete lack of professionalism.
 

Dundalk_Spur

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Two things:

1) We were comfortable at 2-0, but the constant fouling he let Chelsea get away with coupled with conceding led us down the dark path.

2) A lot more focus on the referees in our games from now on, Poch has to use this as a stick to beat them with after so many bad refereeing displays against us this season. Maybe we might get a few decisions now.
 

Dov67

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i really can't stand it when I hear pundits and ex refs say they are just honest professional......some are honest, making human mistakes like we all do, but some are not so honest......allowing their own bias and media image to interfere with their decisions.

We've seen this recently - as soon as Mike Dean got some publicity as a Spurs man, last season I said to my son that's going to come back and hurt us, because now he needs to prove that he isn't. Stonewall penalties not given......brilliant tackles penalised.

Ref's book players on reputation rather than what they see during the game.....I remember a couple of occasions when Bale was taken out at the knees and got booked for diving. The Gomes howler at stamford bridge.......goal given based on crowd reaction because the ref or linesman couldn't possibly have seen the ball cross the line. They weren't in a position to see it cross....so they guessed. I could go on.

Everyone makes mistakes, the job is hard enough without being televised to millions.......but the idea that all these mistakes are just honest ones down to human fallibility is in my opinion, utterly ludicrous.
 
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Stavrogin

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Two things:

1) We were comfortable at 2-0, but the constant fouling he let Chelsea get away with coupled with conceding led us down the dark path.

2) A lot more focus on the referees in our games from now on, Poch has to use this as a stick to beat them with after so many bad refereeing displays against us this season. Maybe we might get a few decisions now.

What is nauseating about this is that chelsea fans (and others) think he did us a favour. Rather than causing the match to degenerate and turning a straightforward victory into a debacle.
 

The Apprentice

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What a monumental helmet.

I'd say I'm shocked, but I'm never surprised when it comes to Mark. It doesn't surprise that he would referee with a game plan. It would naïve to assume this was the only game he ever officiated that he had similar intentions of affecting the result.

If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, walks like a duck..it's a duck.
 

markiespurs

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We lost the fucking plot that night. Though seeing Dier kick the shit out of the scum and tell Fabrigas he’d see him down the tunnel and Fabrigras shit himself almost makes it worth it.

Agree that we lost the plot that night, but if clusterfuck had done his job properly would we still have lost the plot?
 

nailsy

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Like I said mate. The effect on that one game is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. It's the wider issue of how many other decisions in other crucial matches did he not give. Could he have single handedly caused teams to be relegated with individual decisions he knew to be incorrect?

I wonder who he wanted to win when he was in charge of the Euro 2016 final?

 

lukespurs7

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The title was lost by the Chelsea game. However, if we had won at West Ham it would have applied pressure on Leicester and we could have won it. A major problem was that once it was clear it was a two horse race teams were just rolling over for Leicester because they wanted them to win. Referees were also giving all the decisions in their favour.
Even if we’d won at West Ham Chelsea would’ve folded at home to Leicester on the final day, it was never on.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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It always baffled me how he became a top FIFA Referee. There were so many contentious decisions given in favour of 'big' teams, so many just totally wrong decisions, many of which were high profile that he was either totally inept, somehow biased, all ego or a combination of the three.

You'd think that being the main focus of games after they've finished so very many times would be a flag to the footballing authorities and they'd take it upon themselves to rein him in.
 

luRRka

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He also said this -
"Even in the Premier League, I still smile at the first time I came across Roy Keane," Clattenburg told NBC's Men in Blazers podcast.

"He screamed at us for a corner and I'm sure it was a goal kick but because he screamed at us so loudly, I gave a corner. I was that petrified of him."

Unrelated to us but still completely unacceptable :rolleyes:

Imagine what else he has done and hasn't admitted to (in general, not necessarily relating to us)
 
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