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allpaths

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Is Richards more a wide/Am martial like than an out and out striker like Griffiths?
I have very little exposure to him, but he seems like a second striker type, like Son when he plays off Llorente or Kane. He can play the lone striker role but his hold up play atm is weak. That's how I've interpreted him, could be wrong.
 

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Yeah cos that's exactly what that phrase means! :asshat:

No it isn't exactly what that phrase means but neither is how it was being used by the person I quoted (responding to Windy saying "it's all about how they train"). My point being that it is an absolute truism that players are paid to turn up and train, but it's not all about how they train in relation to who plays, which how it was being used by who I quoted who I believe was suggesting kids might not be getting chances because of what's happening in training.

It has no real relevance in this thread or in the context of development football. It was used by Poch to explain why he wasn't picking a purchased player (Sissoko I believe) who we'd paid big money for. Youth wages are never going to influence any selection decision are they ? But there will always be questions about whether players get picked (like Sissoko) because of what we paid and the wages they are being paid, whether it is a factor or not - and I appreciate in Poch's case it may not be.
 

coys200

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The next 2-3 years are gonna be so interesting to see how many of these talents actually come through. Don’t think I’d be exaggerating if I said we had 10-15 from 1st year to development that could come through and that’s not even including someone like Lloyd bennet who I only really discovered today. Will be fascinating to see how Poch plays it.
 

nicdic

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No it isn't exactly what that phrase means but neither is how it was being used by the person I quoted (responding to Windy saying "it's all about how they train"). My point being that it is an absolute truism that players are paid to turn up and train, but it's not all about how they train in relation to who plays, which how it was being used by who I quoted who I believe was suggesting kids might not be getting chances because of what's happening in training.

It has no real relevance in this thread or in the context of development football. It was used by Poch to explain why he wasn't picking a purchased player (Sissoko I believe) who we'd paid big money for. Youth wages are never going to influence any selection decision are they ? But there will always be questions about whether players get picked (like Sissoko) because of what we paid and the wages they are being paid, whether it is a factor or not - and I appreciate in Poch's case it may not be.
Problem is you don't actually read people's posts, instead just pluck comments out of context and start droning again.
 

sly1

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Problem is you don't actually read people's posts, instead just pluck comments out of context and start droning again.

There's barely any point reading his posts. They're just the same three opinions over and over again, with all sorts of twisted evidence and cherry picked stats used to support them. And the argument is always that we should be doing whatever we're not doing. If KWP were playing he would have a problem with it. This is the guy who, as recently as August, was arguing that Jannsen is pretty much as good as Kane. http://spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/ratings-vs-newcastle.129811/page-3#post-5557700

I enjoy reading arguments about which youth players should be in the first team, and I think it is definitely an open question regarding whether Poch gives enough chances to young player. I just skip BC's posts in the debate.
 

DCSPUR

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the problem with kwp though is that he needs one of the right backs to go and as it stands it's difficult to imagine trippier or aurier not being here next season at least.
think that Trippier screwed things up a bit for KWP....if he had started the season as he ended it, we may have not gone in for Aurier....ultimately think that Trippier and KWP are here to stay
 

edson

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do any of these young lads, eg Richards or JDL look like they can be fast tracked?
No way to early for any of them and there is no need to.

Only player from the u18s that would cope is Skipp and I would not like to see this happen.
 
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C0YS

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Nobody wants academy players thrown in for the sake of it. Nobody wants academy players in there to boost some kind of quota.

Winks was pretty damn good when he was played early part of last season (you may remember him playing well and scoring the winner against West Ham and then playing 90 minutes in a win against Burnley in Dec) then didn't get another PL start for 4 months. And the early part of this season we were watching us struggle for tempo and vim against teams like Burnley with plodders like Dembele and Dier out there while Winks fidgeted on the bench.

One man's "Winks has been quietly sensational because Poch didn't play him" is another mans "we could have been having 4 extra months last season and a few more games this season of quiet and sensational".

KWP is already a regular member of our match day bench. I will be amazed if he gets much first team starts this year because we went and bought a 25m international who's only 3 years older and are probably paying him about 1000% more than we ae paying KWP.
Man, he was injured for the last two months, and never got many starts in the league to begin with. He is on a different planet than the player he was this time last year, complete different planet. The early part of the season winks was still coming back from injury, having only played twenty minutes in pre-season, and actually was far from impressive at the start of the season.
 

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This is a compilation of Luke O'Reilly clips. The kid is a very good young goalkeeper, and as I said to Edson in a PM he's big, strong, brave, got good decision making, good long distribution, excellent hands, gets down well. I'm amazed League Two & Conference National teams haven't had a serious look at him because he looks ready for that level to me. Obviously I don't see him train or know his character but he looks the sort of keeper that will make us a decent amount in a year or two when we sell him on to a League One club for a few hundred thousand pounds and add ons. If he's lucky and develops stupendously well then he could find himself best of the rest when it comes to our keepers and Lloris isn't going to be around for ever. We shall see what we shall see. At this stage I think he's an development investment with resale in mind but you never know.
 

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Man, he was injured for the last two months, and never got many starts in the league to begin with. He is on a different planet than the player he was this time last year, complete different planet. The early part of the season winks was still coming back from injury, having only played twenty minutes in pre-season, and actually was far from impressive at the start of the season.

Last season he wasn't injured until Burnley in April. He was continually on the bench from Dec to April. I really don't think he is "on another planet" - he's just evolving with game time. I think he could and should have started more games than he did last year, especially as his skillset is a better balance and blend with Wanyama (who he could have been paired with most occasions) than Dembele or Dier, for many types of games where we dominate the ball and need to move it with some tempo, and that was still applicable last year. He made 4 league starts.
 

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The solace I am taking from the current situation is that I feel (no justification for this whatsoever) that Poch is doing with KWP (and TOB) what he did with Winks a couple of seasons ago. If you'll recall we all were saying Winks was stagnating as he was training with the first team, travelling to games but was playing little to no football in terms of matches. No U23 involvement and no appearances off the bench.

As it turns out the process has worked really well, as when Poch did send him on he had full confidence in him, and it didn't matter who we were playing, if Poch felt we needed his attributes he went on, it wasn't just against easy teams or coming on at 3-0. Last year he obviously had a lot of involvement off the bench, and this year it is clear that he is a key member of the first team squad.

I think (hope) that this is what is being done with KWP and TOB atm, heavy first team involvement in terms of training and travelling, with a view to sub appearances and a few starts next season. I actually think we would have seen a lot more of Onomah this season had he stayed, as he'd just come off the season of integration and this year was his time to get some more game time.

I don't know, am i just being naively hopeful?


The thing is, you have 2 or 3 cm's in games, and they are frequently a change sub made as they cover vast expanses of pitch in all directions, you have one RB and the FB's are rarely changed unless for injury, because they are rhythmic positions that just move up and down and that rhythm and matching up of opposition wide attackers is important to maintain. That's for in game changes, to get a start in his proper position KWP needs two international RB's to become unavailable. He didn't even get a start in the League cup or a dead rubber CL game.

I really would love you to be right, but it's very hard to see it.
 
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