The Spurs Youth Thread - 2017/2018
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Bus-Conductor
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See ManC started Foden 17(in CM3), Diaz 18, Zinchenko 21 and Adarabioyo 20 in there League Cup game tonight against Leicester.
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Feels like after leading the way with youth integration we are falling behind City and Chelsea these days.
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They also brought on two other teenagers second half.
Blake Griffin
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willock(18) started for arsenal and they also brought on nelson(18), sheaf(19) and dasilva(19) - though the last only came on in stoppage time. chelsea have ampadu(17), hudson-odoi(17) and sterling(18) in their squad tomorrow.
maitland-niles has also started arsenal's last two league games as well as all of their europa matches, onomah starts ahead of him for england.
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And both ManC and Arsenal beat PL teams, one of which we lost to, without a single academy kid getting any minutes.
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It really is strange how we seem to be struggling to integrate our youth all of a sudden, I hate critising Pochettino but even West Ham played Rice and Quna tonight who are both 18, Foden came on against us in the league and he's 17.
Youth players seem to be popping up all over the place right now, even Mourinho is giving Mctominay minutes, though he is 21.
To be fair to Poch, he is playing Winks most weeks, it's just sad when you realise young kids will be looking at Arsenal and City thinking that is the best option. Just a few games for KWP and Edwards and that doesn't happen.
It really is odd, unless we are massivley overating our players.
Youth players seem to be popping up all over the place right now, even Mourinho is giving Mctominay minutes, though he is 21.
To be fair to Poch, he is playing Winks most weeks, it's just sad when you realise young kids will be looking at Arsenal and City thinking that is the best option. Just a few games for KWP and Edwards and that doesn't happen.
It really is odd, unless we are massivley overating our players.
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Yet for some reason the clubs who are giving their youth players a chance covet our youngster and we fight to keep them here
Not to mention our intakes have some great players in there
We arent talking about giving Harrison a consistent though imo I rather give a youth striker a chance than play someone out of position
We are talking about players like Onomah, KWP, Edwards and etc.
If they were at other clubs we would try to steal them from those clubs with big promise of first team action.
Maitland-Niles, whose uncle I worked with, never has been as good as Onomah but this season he has played 500 mins more than Onomah has for our first team in his entire career
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Hakkz
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I Think it would be very good for the older players too. Young energetic players who want to show that they can do it in the senior squad would give motivation all around. They can't be doing much worse than some of our players are doing atm..
I’m pretty sure the likes of City Chelsea arsenal played a lot of kids this round because of fixture pile up. Those clubs had 14 straight back to back games. I’m pretty sure city played a relatively strong team last round so did Chelsea. And West Ham Literally had nobody else to play. I think if we’d have made it to quarters we would have played a couple of kids.
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i don't think that's the case, the players most of us want to see get more of a chance have been regulars for england for years and whilst that's not always a perfect barometer of talent it is usually a decent reflection.
what makes it hard for our young players is that poch doesn't really believe in loans and he also doesn't believe in giving "easy" minutes as he thinks it doesn't suitably prepare them for "real" matches, but whilst there is some merit in that logic he's basically cutting off the two main routes into first team football for these players. he wants them to breakthrough by somehow managing to convince him through training alone that they can cut it and be a better option than an experienced and typically high quality first teamer, yes winks eventually managed to do it but i think if you persist with this method you're going to lose some good players along the way.
I am, I suspect, like most people on this thread passionate about Spurs developing their own young players and for these youngsters to be given as many first team opportunities as possible. Unfortunately I look at the current potential first teamers and can say that I am not too convinced they are ready or even good enough. So here is the list of immediate potential first teamers ( I hope we all agree) : - Kyle Walker-Peters, Josh Onomah, Cameron Carter-Vickers, Anthony Georgiou, Marcus Edwards, Kaiziah Sterling, Tashan Oakley-Boothe, Oliver Skipp and Japhet Tanganga. Firstly Kyle W-P is my favourite player who I loved watching at Youth level and at the World Cup U20 finals. He I believe is the closest to first team football but probably has the hardest route to take with 4 very experienced full internationals in front of him (Aurier, Trippier, Rose and Davies) .Is he better than these ? I think not (at present) so I would love to see him kick on out on loan with a good Championship side. Josh and Cameron are out on loan but again they are just not quite there. Josh has huge potential but I feel he is best served on loan (with perhaps not Aston Villa). The next closest prospect is Marcus Edwards. A player so highly debated on this site but in all the games I have seen him play I do not think he is ready both physically or possessing the right attitude for first team football (which I hope will come with time). Georgiou has been injury plagued so at the present moment is not really in contention. The other four I mention I have very high hopes for especially Skipp and a personal favourite Tanganga but are just not ready. Maybe in a years time my thoughts may change as these players develop (of which I hope they all do) then watch out we could be deluged with a wonderful crop of youngsters able to play first team football. I am also fully aware that there are others players not mentioned who could really make an impression such as Keanan Bennetts, Nick Tsaroulla (if recovered fully), Sammy Shashoua and Brooklyn Lyons-Foster. All I ask is a little patience.
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Here...let me help you out with that block of text.
Quoting @mancman Give him the credit, just trying to make it easier to read.
"I am, I suspect, like most people on this thread passionate about Spurs developing their own young players and for these youngsters to be given as many first team opportunities as possible. Unfortunately I look at the current potential first teamers and can say that I am not too convinced they are ready or even good enough. So here is the list of immediate potential first teamers ( I hope we all agree) :
- Kyle Walker-Peters,
- Josh Onomah,
- Cameron Carter-Vickers,
- Anthony Georgiou,
- Marcus Edwards,
- Kaiziah Sterling,
- Tashan Oakley-Boothe,
- Oliver Skipp and
- Japhet Tanganga.
Josh and Cameron are out on loan but again they are just not quite there. Josh has huge potential but I feel he is best served on loan (with perhaps not Aston Villa).
The next closest prospect is Marcus Edwards. A player so highly debated on this site but in all the games I have seen him play I do not think he is ready both physically or possessing the right attitude for first team football (which I hope will come with time).
Georgiou has been injury plagued so at the present moment is not really in contention. The other four I mention I have very high hopes for especially Skipp and a personal favourite Tanganga but are just not ready.
Maybe in a years time my thoughts may change as these players develop (of which I hope they all do) then watch out we could be deluged with a wonderful crop of youngsters able to play first team football.
I am also fully aware that there are others players not mentioned who could really make an impression such as Keanan Bennetts, Nick Tsaroulla (if recovered fully), Sammy Shashoua and Brooklyn Lyons-Foster. All I ask is a little patience."
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Blake Griffin
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good enough or ready enough for what though? this is what i feel is the key point and one that is often missed in these debates.
as always, i don't think anyone in here is saying they should be first team starters but are squad roles completely beyond a few of them? you say you loved watching kwp(and presumably onomah?) at the u20 world cup, well quite a few from that team are now playing pl football with varying regularity so is that because they're good/ready enough and kwp/onomah aren't, or are we just not affording them the same opportunities?
I think it’s fair to say right at this moment in time we don’t have anyone banging down the door screaming play me. The closest to that is Edwards but even he has a been a bit inconsistent this year. I think KWP is quality but more a steady eddy than a no brainier pick. Others mentioned have potential but probably a bit off being ready. I actually think the younger from U19 down are the most exciting Skipp Paris Maghoma Lloyd bennet etc.
