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Kane’s wages - a joke or misreported?

glacierSpurs

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If I had known I can earn one million every 2 - 3 months on average, I would have skipped all my education and start training at 7.

Jeez, those salaries..
 
slartibartfast

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I would imagine most of these so called 'sources' for this information comes from agents stirring shit for obvious reasons.
 
Neon_Knight_

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This simply highlights how inept some other clubs are when it comes to negotiating contracts, just like transfer fees.

A couple of years ago, Arsenal made Walcott one of their highest earners (£110k deal), only to see him become a fringe player half a season later. He's now paid more than two thirds of their starting XI, despite not really contributing anything. Are the other players underpaid? No, Walcott is massively overpaid. They also have Wilshere on £90k :ROFLMAO:

Liverpool have had to offer stupid contracts to keep hold of some players e.g. Sturridge on £150k.

Man City built up a strong squad by throwing silly money at players who would otherwise have had no interest in joining them. Rather than using their title wins to attract players for more realistic wages, they have continued to keep their whole squad in line with the previous inflated contracts.
 
Neon_Knight_

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One thing we really did get wrong was offering Sissoko £20-30k more than most of our key players. I see this as one of the biggest risks in keeping our squad settled. At some point, a host of senior players will be banging on Levy's door asking for pay equity and he will have two options:
a) Increase the wage budget by circa 30%
b) Sell Sissoko (and maybe offer more like 10% pay rises)
I'm not actually desperate to move Sissoko on, as he does offer something to the squad, but I imagine we could adequately replace him without net loss on transfer fees and a £30k saving on wages.
 
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TottenhamMattSpur said:
I have very little doubt our players can earn considerably more than their basic. I would love to know how it's fair on less glamorous players.
How could Wanyama, Winks, Dembélé, Sissoko get much more?
Even the defenders, a clean sheet bonus?
Danny Rose is gonna be fucked off of Dier has a brain fart and we concede if Danny worked his socks off for 90 minutes.
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Judging by that sight of Jon Arne Riise's wage slip from several years ago, for most clubs the bonuses are usually team based. IIRC, the bonuses were for PL and CL appearances and wins. Appear as a team, win as a team, lose as a team.

Individual bonuses for goals face an obvious massive flaw; you don't pass to a team mate who has a vastly better chance of scoring than you do(unless the team mate is Sissoko). At it's worst, one player gets an easy chance for bonuses as he's the designated penalty taker. Also, take the example of Kane's first goal on Tuesday. With an individual goal bonus, how does Eriksen benefit from his superbly hit fk? Ah, an assist bonus, you say? Again, a built-in discriminator against those who never take fks. What about Danny Rose, whose attacking run led to the foul that gave it? As can be seen, individual bonuses mainly serve to divide a team and not fully reward it.
 
Gb160

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seanwhite1961 said:
Judging by that sight of Jon Arne Riise's wage slip from several years ago, for most clubs the bonuses are usually team based. IIRC, the bonuses were for PL and CL appearances and wins. Appear as a team, win as a team, lose as a team.

Individual bonuses for goals face an obvious massive flaw; you don't pass to a team mate who has a vastly better chance of scoring than you do(unless the team mate is Sissoko). At it's worst, one player gets an easy chance for bonuses as he's the designated penalty taker. Also, take the example of Kane's first goal on Tuesday. With an individual goal bonus, how does Eriksen benefit from his superbly hit fk? Ah, an assist bonus, you say? Again, a built-in discriminator against those who never take fks. What about Danny Rose, whose attacking run led to the foul that gave it? As can be seen, individual bonuses mainly serve to divide a team and not fully reward it.
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He was a defender mate, im not sure what your point is but strikers are very often on goal bonuses.
 
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Gb160 said:
He was a defender mate, im not sure what your point is but strikers are very often on goal bonuses.
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He scored more goals than most defenders, mate, so if that was a criterion for Liverpool's player bonuses, it would have been on that slip and it wasn't.

I'll explain my point again, because I obviously wasn't clear enough: individual goal bonuses can often result in a team scoring less goals.
 
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Look at Berahino as the classic overpaid footballer. Breaks into the West Brom first XI, scores a few goals (23 goals in 105 games for West Brom). The player is on £15k per week. Stoke offered him a 'double your money' £30k per week to keep him long term. Player throws toys out of pram and refuses, downs tools, gets overweight, failsa drug test, etc. And basically he doesn't play or score any more. A desperate club (Stoke in this case) come along the next January window, buy him for £15M and pay him £70k per week. On a 5.5 year deal. How many goals has he scored for Stoke in his first year? None. 22 appearances, zero goals.

On 30 September 2017, in his 31st consecutive game without a goal, Berahino won a penalty against Southampton's and took it himself. He missed.

Total cost to Stoke = £15,000,000 fee + (5.5 years * (52 weeks * £70,000)) = £35,000,000 (yep ... 35 MILLION!)
 
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seanwhite1961 said:
He scored more goals than most defenders, mate, so if that was a criterion for Liverpool's player bonuses, it would have been on that slip and it wasn't.

I'll explain my point again, because I obviously wasn't clear enough: individual goal bonuses can often result in a team scoring less goals.
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Id love to see what evidence you're basing this on as it sounds like nonsense.
If it was as simple as you try to make out then there would be no goal bonuses...but thats not the case.
 
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Gb160 said:
Id love to see what evidence you're basing this on as it sounds like nonsense.
If it was as simple as you try to make out then there would be no goal bonuses...but thats not the case.
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Of course there would be goal bonuses. It's an obvious mistake to make, as with performance related pay in business.

You don't accept the main premise, that goals usually come from a team and not usually from one individual's supreme ability. You were probably supporting Benteke a few weeks ago, when he grabbed the ball to take a last minute penalty and lost the chance of a win.
 
Gb160

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seanwhite1961 said:
Of course there would be goal bonuses. It's an obvious mistake to make, as with performance related pay in business.

You don't accept the main premise, that goals usually come from a team and not usually from one individual's supreme ability. You were probably supporting Benteke a few weeks ago, when he grabbed the ball to take a last minute penalty and lost the chance of a win.
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I dispute the 'individual goal bonuses can often result in a team scoring less goals' bit...what evidence are you basing that on?
I'll repeat, if that were true there would be no goal bonuses.
 
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seanwhite1961

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Gb160 said:
I dispute the 'individual goal bonuses can often result in a team scoring less goals' bit...what evidence are you basing that on?
I'll repeat, if that were true there would be no goal bonuses.
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It's based on the premise I set out. You seem to be suggesting that individual goal bonuses would never result in players trying to score goals from very difficult chances, when they have team mates in far superior positions. Is that what you believe?

If bankers weren't worth their bonuses, then they wouldn't be paid them. The flaw there is in considering that the culture around bonuses is correctly attributing the value to the individual when the organisation is being successful.

In our case, what do you think Harry Kane's goals are worth to the club? I mean each goal, every time. To Harry, they're priceless. To the club, they're not. They would value each goal that wins 3 points much more than the extra goals in 5 nil wins. Take the last 2 wins last season with Harry scoring 7 goals in 6-1 and 7-1 wins. Great for us fans to see, but if you were purely paying for goals, then you'd be wasting money in paying for "redundant" goals, hence why win bonuses are much greater value.
 
spursgirls

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RichieS said:
Oh look, he has the same basic salary as Chelsea's most important player. No news story about that though is there?

Levy has got exactly the right idea in my opinion - pay sensibly but incentivise heavily. I wonder what Kane's goal bonus is...
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At one of those evenings with past players I went to recently, Graham Roberts said that Harry had a basic of £110k but got £10k win bonus and another £10k a goal, so he's doing pretty well lately!
 
Shadydan

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seanwhite1961 said:
Judging by that sight of Jon Arne Riise's wage slip from several years ago, for most clubs the bonuses are usually team based. IIRC, the bonuses were for PL and CL appearances and wins. Appear as a team, win as a team, lose as a team.

Individual bonuses for goals face an obvious massive flaw; you don't pass to a team mate who has a vastly better chance of scoring than you do(unless the team mate is Sissoko). At it's worst, one player gets an easy chance for bonuses as he's the designated penalty taker. Also, take the example of Kane's first goal on Tuesday. With an individual goal bonus, how does Eriksen benefit from his superbly hit fk? Ah, an assist bonus, you say? Again, a built-in discriminator against those who never take fks. What about Danny Rose, whose attacking run led to the foul that gave it? As can be seen, individual bonuses mainly serve to divide a team and not fully reward it.
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Think you're reading too much into it personally, as far as I know we've had this policy for quite a long time and I don't see players being greedy or going for glory themselves for the most part. I guess the manager philosophy goes hand with in hand with the bonus policy, play as a team, win as a team and you will be rewarded.
 
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