cider spurs
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Surprised Wenger even saw the handball.
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dirtyh
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Who gives a fuk if it was a pen. Arse dropped unexpected points so happy new year.
Cech and the rest of those flaccid wankers can suck a cock. Theyve had enough dodgy decisions over the years to float a battleship so no fuks whatsoever will be given if they’ve had one the other way.
Cech and the rest of those flaccid wankers can suck a cock. Theyve had enough dodgy decisions over the years to float a battleship so no fuks whatsoever will be given if they’ve had one the other way.
Pellshek
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I'm astonished so many people are adamant that wasn't a pen. I mean, yeah, maybe it wasn't, but there's no way you can say the ref was definitely wrong, as I'd been lead to believe from comments before I'd seen the incident. If I had to call it, I'd say a marginal pen that's tough on the defender, but that's the way it goes.
spursfan77
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Mike dean is a poor ref. Refused to give us 2 clear pens against Swansea. But he’s been good there today
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LexingtonSpurs
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From Dean's perspective - he could see Chambers move his arm towards the ball, while his arm was away from his body.
Once he sees it from a different angle, Dean might change his mind - but from what he saw, it was a clear pen.
Maybe VAR would change that, but I don't think it was so clear cut "Not a Pen" that VAR would have overturned it.
StartingPrice
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I don't think it is as obviously not a pen as some are saying. A similar thing happened in another recent game - causing an equal amount of contention. In both instances there is movement of the arm. As some have said, above, it could be flinching or trying to get the arm out of the way of the ball. Even from not too far away, and not too bad an angle, all the ref can see if movement of the arm and at the same moment the hand/arm touching the ball. If it is hard for us to know, definitively, in replays and slo-mo and close ups if the movement was toward the ball, away from the ball or an involuntary reflex, how much harder must it be for the ref in real-time with the ball moving at that speed?
Anyway, the Goons have went on about Mike Dean being a Spurs fan so much that he has been terrified of giving any decisions against them - as we saw in the NLD. So I find it quite hilarious that when he finally does it is a contentious one. Feck them. Get far too much rub of the green in my book
SUIYHA
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How is this a debate? His arm moved towards the ball to block a cross. It was a clear penalty. Correct decision.
https://i.imgur.com/ks8NjBw.jpg
I swear the majority of football fans don't actually have eyes.
AFTV tomorrow should sort out the New Year's Day hangover quite nicely
https://i.imgur.com/ks8NjBw.jpg
I swear the majority of football fans don't actually have eyes.
AFTV tomorrow should sort out the New Year's Day hangover quite nicely
TheChosenOne
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Confirmed ban for Young....
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...swansea-kyle-naughton-charged-violent-conduct
Luvvly Jubbly.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...swansea-kyle-naughton-charged-violent-conduct
Luvvly Jubbly.
Phomesy
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How is this a debate? His arm moved towards the ball to block a cross. It was a clear penalty. Correct decision.
https://i.imgur.com/ks8NjBw.jpg
I swear the majority of football fans don't actually have eyes.
AFTV tomorrow should sort out the New Year's Day hangover quite nicely
Assuming this is a wind up or you never saw the event live or the proper replays.
Phomesy
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It's not a pen,ffs. It was never a pen. not even close to a pen. There's no debate; no question; no grey fucking area.
Mike Dean made a shocking decision based on the reaction of fans and Jay Rodriguez. Kieran Gibbs doesn't even think about appealing for a foul. It never even crosses Chambers mind that he might in trouble.
Blimey...
StartingPrice
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Blimey indeed.
I didn't say it was a penalty.
I said that even after watching the replays, in slo-mo, and close up, it is unclear whether he is moving his arm to the ball, away from the ball, or if it is a reflex action.
You seem absolutely certain that he was trying to get his arm out of the way. There are folk who are disagreeing with you. And that is with the hindsight of replays, slo-mo and close ups. That is why it is a debate.
I didn't express an opinion either way. Or any which way, seen as there are three (at least) options.
All I said was that Mike Dean sees it very quickly, sees motion of the arm and sees the ball striking Chambers arm. So if there are folk who feel like his arm was moving towards the ball, or it is impossible to tell whether it was towards, away or a reflex, then it is not such an easy call for Dean to make as is being made out. That was my sole, single judgement call in the post.
What's with the attitude?
Have a Happy New Year
p.s. I don't really care that much - I am happy enough to see ArseAnal being screwed over on the back of the number of dodgy decisions they get in their favour. So my dog in this fight is, like, a Chihuahua.
LexingtonSpurs
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It was a Pen, mate. I've seen the results. Jay Rodriguez scored from the spot.
In all seriousness though, all the elements to be called were there - Chambers arms were away from the body - making himself bigger; Chambers moves his arms towards the ball; the ball strikes Chambers in the arm.
Yoshida's hand ball was probably more egregious, and it was not called a pen, but that does not mean this incident was 100% not a pen. It just highlights the inconsistency - and Yoshida should have conceded a pen.
Bus-Conductor
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Very harsh penalty, but Arsenal have been the recipient of a couple of those late pen decisions, so they were maybe due one themselves. I can see why Dean gave it, because from his angle it clearly looks as if Chambers moves his arm toward the ball. It was probably just an instinctive, involuntary reaction, when it's kicked at you from a yard away.
Either way, West Brom deserved the point, at least, that was probably the best 90 minutes of football (possibly the only 90 minutes of football) I've seen West Brom play for about 5 years. It wasn't scintillating, but at least it wasn't Pullis death football.
That was one of those game where the possession stat looked completely at odds with how the game looked, usually it's pretty representative of the game you watch, but it gave Arsenal as 65%. It just didn't feel like that kind of game at all. It felt like WBA ran them close for possession.
Either way, West Brom deserved the point, at least, that was probably the best 90 minutes of football (possibly the only 90 minutes of football) I've seen West Brom play for about 5 years. It wasn't scintillating, but at least it wasn't Pullis death football.
That was one of those game where the possession stat looked completely at odds with how the game looked, usually it's pretty representative of the game you watch, but it gave Arsenal as 65%. It just didn't feel like that kind of game at all. It felt like WBA ran them close for possession.
nightgoat
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How is this a debate? His arm moved towards the ball to block a cross. It was a clear penalty. Correct decision.
https://i.imgur.com/ks8NjBw.jpg
I swear the majority of football fans don't actually have eyes.
AFTV tomorrow should sort out the New Year's Day hangover quite nicely
It's one of those incidents where half the time it will be given, half it won't. Pundits will call it based on whoever it's given for or against. The baffling thing to me is how there are people on here that are so keen to be outraged on Arsenal's behalf. I seem to recall some people even defending the handball, offside goal they stole at Burnley last season. Weird.
