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SpursDave88

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Just got back from the game.

Waste of an evening.

Moyes did a number on Pochettino, West Ham hardly gave up any clear cut chances and they got the point they came for.

We did not play with sufficient urgency during the match. Even in the first half once the pattern of play was set we needed to be much quicker in shifting the ball side to side in order to tire out the West Ham players until one of them eventually was dragged out of position. Instead our build up play was very slow and ponderous so we didn't make West Ham work that hard.

Sissoko rarely offers much anyway, but in this game he was completely useless. His main strength is to get us up the pitch when we are either under pressure or a game is stretched, he was never the right sort of player for this match. So I blame Poch for getting the selection wrong here, either Lamela or Wanyama should have started in his place or been brought on much earlier.

I often think that Aurier and Sissoko are an amusing double act, where neither has the ability to beat a man or pass to a teammate.

Llorente offered little when he came on and in the end the rest of our front players were marked out of the game by sheer numbers and didn't have that little extra they needed, whether that's luck or ability I don't know.

As it panned out we could have lost the game - so I'm not really upset with the draw, just disappointed.
 
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Dov67

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remember when Mike Dean was supposed to be a spurs fan because he had few games where decisions favoured us? Always knew that those stories and jokes were going to be a bloody disaster for us.

He then had to prove he wasn't a spurs fan......so you get no penalty against Swansea, he gives a foul for no reason that anyone can gather (except Arsene Wenger of course), in the NLD and two offside goals (which were the fault of his moron linesman to be fair).

Now he's had a whole week of controversy for the pen given against the goons when they played WBA......Wenger has been calling him all sorts of nasty names in the press......so again he's worried against giving us a penalty, Arsenal's rivals for a top 4 place. Dreaded seeing him in charge tonight for that reason, and said to my Dad before the match it would take a shooting or a knife attack before he gave us a pen.

I hate it when pundits say refs are honest.......some, probably most are honest, many just useless and shit, but there are many others who don't ref the game with integrity. i.e. strictly according to the rules of the games, regardless of the club involved (big or small), regardless of the player involved (global superstar or unknown 18 year old), regardless of the stick the manager of the club on the receiving end will give in the press after the game.

apologies for the paranoid rant but i'm sick as a dog, went to the game because i didn't want to let my son down and am pissed off.

PS - i believe we still can and will get top 4. COYS!!
 
stevenurse

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stevenurse said:
In each of the last two seasons they have impacted relatively heavily on our finish, tonight is a big opportunity to open a gap on arsenal and we must ensure we keep pace with the current top 4. Anything other than a win tonight is potentially a big problem.

The fact we should win almost inevitably means we'll piss it away, and as mentioned before the arsenal game, this whole Mike Dean love in isn't a good thing. He'll be actively looking not to be seen as favouring us.
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Ionman34

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Mr Pink said:
Mate we didn't need two ball winners to win the ball when we had 75 per cent possession lol, that's the whole point.

Poch made a mistake by playing both of them, and after seeing West Ham's team he could of tinkered, which was exceptionally defensive looking.

I'm not blaming the Dier and Sissoko but Poch should of at least addressed the mistake at HT and taken Sissoko off, dropped Eriksen back and brought Lamela on.

The point is that would of increased our chances of breaking them down more cleanly.

The chances you're referring to where not that great in.truth as we never had enough time and Space in and around their box.

What we needed was more guile to create better quality chances, disrupt their shape more.

They were happy to let us have the ball so why and earth reduce your quality by having two defensive minded midfielders when we're not having to compete that hard in the middle to win the dam thing.

Tactically we were flawed tonight and what made it worse was Poch.just sat there failing to address and play the percentages to increase our chances of winning the game.

Then.they score and then he reacts, simply way too late.

And thats coming from.a Poch disciple!!

Love him, but definitely got that wrong tonight, big time.
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I’ve already said that Pinky, you’re preaching to the choir.

Regardless of that, we didn’t win because our forwards were poor, Sissoko had no influence on their control or finishing.

He was not the reason for the point, they were. We created a plethora of great chances and fluffed them. Putting more attack minded players wouldn’t have improved the control or finishing now would it?

Granted they may have created more chances, but it’s not like we only created a couple anyway. We had 31 shots on goal and these did not even include the fluffy or the penalty shouts, one of which was stonewall on Kane.

My point is if you are going to call out players for a poor performance, call out the right ones. Laying this at the door of Sissoko and Dier is just lazy bollocks.
 
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TheChosenOne said:
One bright note for me was Aurier, has improved a lot in recent times but I still think his final ball needs more elevation he hits the box and gets the cross in but it is generally at waist or chest height and not usually getting past defenders.

Low point of the march for me was in the 1st half when Sissoko passed a lovely square ball to the touchline.
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Agree. But even Dier was erratic in his passing as well.
 
JayB

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UncleBuck said:
I think we really need to stop blaming the refs, we need to take them out of the equation and just start putting these games to bed.
There were two game plans on show tonight as the commentators alluded to, attack and defend, they pretty much nullified us and scored a worldie.
I know it’s been said a million times but Sissoko....seeing him dropping into a back three tonight and then thinking back to the barnstorming runs he was making through the middle for France 18 months ago almost makes me think someone’s stolen his passport.
Surely Poch must be pulling his hair out knowing what he can do but he doesn’t seem to have that drive through the middle for his club as he does for his country.
Harry and Vic for me next up.
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Two things can be true at once. Poch got the team selection, tactics, and (lack of) substitutions all wrong, but Dean also wrongly turned down multiple valid penalty claims. It can be the case that we were our own worst enemy and were asking for it, and that we got fucked over by a referee who is desperate to prove that he's not biased in our favor.
 
heelspurs

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Streetspur77 said:
Are you saying they didn't score a worldie or that we didn't create chances? I don't quite follow
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Our created chances were shit. So shit that I can hardly believe the 31 shots stat. And my point about seeing quality where there wasn't any was Poch sticking for so long without changing the dynamic of the game when it was clear how it was going. We've seen this before and had they not scored he would have waited until 80+ minutes to make a sub. It was clear Sissoko was going to go off but I am surprised that Sonny didn't in favor of Dier. That is how it ususally plays out.
 
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spursfan77 said:
Sissoko playing was pointless. Give Wanyama and winks or Dembele 45 minutes each. I'm not hating on Sissoko tonight but he wasn't needed out there. He just did nothing of much use.
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Well, straight away, but for his intervention when he was last man in the first half stopped their player going clean through on his own. But this has got fuck-all to do with Sissoko, Poch, the team he picked or anything else. Everyone is an expert on which team they'd have sent out but it could easily have gone exactly the same way had we started with 'our' preferred team. We should have won that game with the side that started. And but for a once in a career worldie, we would have. This is one of those shit sandwiches football fans have to suffer from time to time.........It's as simple as that.

But I get the frustration. Its just misplaced. All IMO of course :D
 
riggi

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eriksen needs a slap. Poch needs to make a change earlier. Lucky lads.

Riggi xx
 
Mr Pink

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Ionman34 said:
I’ve already said that Pinky, you’re preaching to the choir.

Regardless of that, we didn’t win because our forwards were poor, Sissoko had no influence on their control or finishing.

He was not the reason for the point, they were. We created a plethora of great chances and fluffed them. Putting more attack minded players wouldn’t have improved the control or finishing now would it?

Granted they may have created more chances, but it’s not like we only created a couple anyway. We had 31 shots on goal and these did not even include the fluffy or the penalty shouts, one of which was stonewall on Kane.

My point is if you are going to call out players for a poor performance, call out the right ones. Laying this at the door of Sissoko and Dier is just lazy bollocks.
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I'm laying it at the manager. And I don't agree we created a plethora of great chances, no chance.

A lot of nearly situations is how I would describe it, and I don't think we moved the ball sharply enough to really pull them out of shape, and another progressive passer of the ball would certainly of helped.

I have stuck up for Sissoko loads but I would love to see the stats for backward passes. Not his fault, this was never the game for him. Poch should of tinkered after seeing their two brick walls.
 
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UncleBuck said:
Because if they are as bent and corrupt as everyone is suggesting then we need to take the game out of their hands, it’s the only way to beat them.
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Here is the thing, I don’t think it’s corruption as in brown paper bag under the table type stuff (although I am convinced that has happened before in this league.)

However, I think it’s more cowardice, personal bias and incompetence and the fact they are protected and never held accountable for their mistakes.

People say “It evens itself out” that’s a nonsense argument, we have seen multiple examples over the last few seasons of refs afraid to make big decisions against the bigger sides and multiple instances of their incompetence on a weekly basis.

Now, you look at our game against Swansea, our first goal was offside, how can a professional linesman miss that?

Then today, two pens that we should have had, there are too many mistakes in this league for this to all be incompetence, I am of the genuine belief that a lot of the time they are guessing and those guesses are being made based on personal bias or cowardice through fear of them getting backlash, in Deans case, fear of being labelled a spurs fan, so he carries a mentality into the game that he can’t give us too much instead of just doing his job.

The media play into this nonsense and pile pressure on the officials with their own bullshit agendas and that’s a perfect storm for the issues we have.

Look at the Leicester season, everyone in the country was rooting for them, the media had basically decided they were going to win it and it’s my opinion that the refs were letting them get away with climbing all over players and
giving them favourable decisions, the following season after Leicester had won it they clamped down on it.

I just feel like we need video replays to come in as soon as possible and more transparency from officials.
 
Ionman34

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UncleBuck said:
Because if they are as bent and corrupt as everyone is suggesting then we need to take the game out of their hands, it’s the only way to beat them.
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How do you do that then? Only shoot from 30 yards?

Clear cut chances are predominantly those within the box. If they prevent that chance with a foul then you can’t take the ref out of the equation.

What you propose is ridiculous when they have as many midfielders in their box as defenders.
 
Ionman34

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Mr Pink said:
I'm laying it at the manager. And I don't agree we created a plethora of great chances, no chance.

A lot of nearly situations is how I would describe it, and I don't think we moved the ball sharply enough to really pull them out of shape, and another progressive passer of the ball would certainly of helped.

I have stuck up for Sissoko loads but I would love to see the stats for backward passes. Not his fault, this was never the game for him. Poch should of tinkered after seeing their two brick walls.
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Like I said, I’ve already said this.
 
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When teams are doing this over load of players in defensive areas, I don't think us overloading our attacking options helps. It means more congestion. Spain and Barca both had trouble with this anti-football tactic being used against them..

What did they do?

False no.9... how we get that to work, I dunno, but surely it's about teasing them out of shape, to create the spaces needed? Kane can drop deeper, he doesn't need to be on the shoulder of the CB. I think we need real width for this tho, still, could have used Lamela from the start, and GKN as a sub etc. Maybe we should try something different to make these teams think about using this against us?
 
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