Spurs vs West Ham - Match Day Thread

spursfan77 · Jan 4, 2018

Archibald&Crooks said:
Well, straight away, but for his intervention when he was last man in the first half stopped their player going clean through on his own. But this has got fuck-all to do with Sissoko, Poch, the team he picked or anything else. Everyone is an expert on which team they'd have sent out but it could easily have gone exactly the same way had we started with 'our' preferred team. We should have won that game with the side that started. And but for a once in a career worldie, we would have. This is one of those shit sandwiches football fans have to suffer from time to time.........It's as simple as that.

But I get the frustration. Its just misplaced. All IMO of course

Yep we should have won with the side selected. For me they were the worst team to come to Wembley this season.

Had Kane been 100% it might have been a different story. But the manager definitely took too long to make his subs. It's a common occurrence. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when he had a weak bench, but there was more than enough on there to be brought on and make a difference at half time or after an hour

SpursDave88 · Jan 4, 2018

Archibald&Crooks said:
Well, straight away, but for his intervention when he was last man in the first half stopped their player going clean through on his own. But this has got fuck-all to do with Sissoko, Poch, the team he picked or anything else. Everyone is an expert on which team they'd have sent out but it could easily have gone exactly the same way had we started with 'our' preferred team. We should have won that game with the side that started. And but for a once in a career worldie, we would have. This is one of those shit sandwiches football fans have to suffer from time to time.........It's as simple as that.

But I get the frustration. Its just misplaced. All IMO of course

Son had to score a worldie to get us a point. Irrespective of the result - we didn't stretch West Ham - that is the issue.

spursfan77 · Jan 4, 2018

FreddieYid said:
Swansea at home
Burnley at home
West Brom at home
West Ham at home

And to be honest Bournemouth and Palace at home were pretty much the same.

Slow, lathargic with a lack of guile and invention.

Those may well be the results that define our season unless we can win at home against Man U and Arsenal or away at Liverpool or Chelsea.

Gb160 · Jan 4, 2018

TURKISH69 said:
Those who win trophies and are not in it for the money are all in negative spends. I e City, Chelsea and Utd we are never in a negative spend overall. So we will never win much due to that. Fact is if you viewed the publication of richest clubs in Europe which takes in players, value of assets , tv money and all that. We are the fifth richest club in Europe I believe above Real Madrid, the only 2 premier league clubs above us are Chelsea and City. Our owner is absolutely minted can blow the Liverpool owners out the water. So why are we not up there challenging investing in the team to make it stronger because of the stats above Spurs do not have overall a negative spend so we will be very lucky to win anything because Joe Lewis who is fucking loaded, and Short bald twat do not want Spurs to win anything he is like a politician tells us what he wants us to believe in other words talks bollocks.

Im just grateful this forum has such astute posters like you who can shine some light on it for us simpletons.

UncleBuck · Jan 4, 2018

Ionman34 said:
How do you do that then? Only shoot from 30 yards?

Clear cut chances are predominantly those within the box. If they prevent that chance with a foul then you can’t take the ref out of the equation.

What you propose is ridiculous when they have as many midfielders in their box as defenders.

Citeh don’t seem to have any problems at the moment and we didn’t last season

Phomesy · Jan 4, 2018

I’d be okay but remembering how Chelsea and Arsenal easily danced their way through Moyes’ 10-1-0 West Ham, scoring beautiful intricate goals and getting all those sweet juicy points makes me so damn angry...

Cravenspurs · Jan 4, 2018

ardiles said:
Poch has to learn how to handle teams that park the bus. This has been our Achilles heel.

They basically played with 10 Keepers. How many blocks did they have in the box?

But to your point, it is the midfield that is killing our ability to beat teams like this. If you watch Man City and Liverpool, two teams that bang goals in for fun at he moment, their midfield is the engine that keeps the front ticking.

Eriksen did his best to create chances just above Dier and Sissoko, but when you compare:

Dier/Sissoko/Eriksen to Fernandinho/Silva/KDB and Can/Wijnaldum/Coutinho you see the deficiency in our Engine room.

The next weeks have to feature the likes of Wanyama, Winks, Lamela, Eriksen in that midfield region in order to get the ball off our CB's and into our attack quicker. Exploit the space provided and stop this churning butter midfield.

You could tell instantly the difference between Dier and Wanyama when Vic came on today.

TURKISH69 · Jan 4, 2018

Gb160 said:
Im just grateful this forum has such astute posters like you who can shine some light on it for us simpletons.

All I want is the same as you is for our club which has been in the best position for years to win trophies. We’ve got some amazing players and a top manager no doubt of that I just fear with the lack of investment we are being left behind when it clearly shows that we should not be.

SpursDave88 · Jan 4, 2018

Phomesy said:
I’d be okay but remembering how Chelsea and Arsenal easily danced their way through Moyes’ 10-1-0 West Ham, scoring beautiful intricate goals and getting all those sweet juicy points makes me so damn angry...

Pointing out other teams failings doesn't mask our own.

theShiznit · Jan 4, 2018

A performance of such anti football it made mourinho's most negative games look Guardiola-Esque

And yet the west Ham journos turn it into a matter class

Jimmypearce7 · Jan 4, 2018

I love Poch of course and don’t question his judgement except tonight. It was so plain that Sissoko and Dier we’re struggling in midfield and that Dembele and Wanyama should come on at half time or at least after 60 mins. Yet he didn’t and kept plugging away unsuccessfully changing nothing until whu scored.
Poor management that cost us the game.

Phomesy · Jan 4, 2018

SpursDave88 said:
Pointing out other teams failings doesn't mask our own.

Of course not but when you consider City were very fortunate to get the win against the same side and tactics the trend would suggest that some of the reaction on here is ever so slightly prima fucking donnaish.

I was at the game and it was a wall of defenders. When we didn’t get the early goal we deserved it was always going to be a slog. Frustrating of course, but Christ a lot of keyboard Spurs fans are quick to stick the knife in at the first opportunity. It’s so dispiriting to have “support” like this.

Phomesy · Jan 4, 2018

SpursDave88 said:
Pointing out other teams failings doesn't mask our own.

We should also point out that West Ham deserve credit for doing what it takes - and doing it to every top 6 side they’ve come against since Moyes.

muppetman · Jan 4, 2018

Just got home, tube was bollixed so missed the first 30 minutes or so of the first half. Really dislike the journey to Wembley even thought it should be easier for me (I'm in Stevenage).

Decent points haul over the Christmas period but tonight was pretty disappointing - I though Son looked shattered tonight and wonder if he shot to score because he was too shagged to run at the defence.

SpursDave88 · Jan 4, 2018

Phomesy said:
Of course not but when you consider City were very fortunate to get the win against the same side and tactics the trend would suggest that some of the reaction on here is ever so slightly prima fucking donnaish.

I was at the game and it was a wall of defenders. When we didn’t get the early goal we deserved it was always going to be a slog. Frustrating no but Christ a lot of keyboard Spurs fans are quick to stick the knife in at the first opportunity. It’s so dispiriting to have “support” like this.

Nobody is wetting their knickers - I think the post match analysis is quite sober and reasonable.

Moyes got the better of Poch he put 11 men behind the ball and they closed the space effectively and didn't really give up any clear cut chances.

Poch got his initial selection wrong as we were ineffective and was too slow to change it.

Both the teams scored a worldie each so both had a bit of luck, but in the end Moyes and West Ham will rightly be happier with their nights work than we are.

nightgoat · Jan 4, 2018

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:
So much for moving this match because of travel concerns ...

It could have easily been moved to the Saturday early kick off spot last weekend.

nightgoat · Jan 4, 2018

mil1lion said:
It's easy to say we should play a higher tempo but not so easy when you're playing 48 hours after the last game. We looked tired and no surprise either. This schedule was a joke but we still came out of it with only 2 dropped points.

And it was played on a ploughed field as well...

St José Dominguez · Jan 4, 2018

I wonder how bothered Levy is about getting Top 4, if we don't strengthen in January it makes me think he's really not bothered. Which would surprise me as I would've thought moving into a new stadium and dropping out of CL would be potentially very bad. Financially we'd have a big reduction on this year and sponsorship wise surely you'd get a much better deal if the club is seen as a CL club rather than Europa. That's ignoring what might happen to current players if not in CL.

For a great businessman like him surely it makes more sense spending now to enhance chances of top 4 rather than waiting till summer when we'll likely be in Europa nightmare again.

bubble07 · Jan 5, 2018

St José Dominguez said:
I wonder how bothered Levy is about getting Top 4, if we don't strengthen in January it makes me think he's really not bothered. Which would surprise me as I would've thought moving into a new stadium and dropping out of CL would be potentially very bad. Financially we'd have a big reduction on this year and sponsorship wise surely you'd get a much better deal if the club is seen as a CL club rather than Europa. That's ignoring what might happen to current players if not in CL.

For a great businessman like him surely it makes more sense spending now to enhance chances of top 4 rather than waiting till summer when we'll likely be in Europa nightmare again.

Agree but the transfer window only opened a few days ago

stevensthfc · Jan 5, 2018

Just got back.

Should it have been a pen at the end?

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