Spurs vs West Ham - Match Day Thread

Phomesy said:

SO teams who they set up completely different for and played a completely different type of game. Come on dude....

I know your frustrated but its no excuse for making shit up. When West Ham came out at us early in the season we thrashed them. When they stuck 10 behind he ball under Moyes they frustrated us just like they did to Chelsea, City and Arsenal.

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1882andallthat said:

I will tell you who, this season, Brighton and Southampton have beaten them comfortably so have Newcastle twice, Man Utd stuck 4 past them so did Everton and even Palace scored two against them to mention a few, yes its true that Arsenal and Chelsea struggled but that was only last season. On most seasons Arsenal regularly put 3 and 5 past them, last season West Brom Man City Watford Liverpool Arsenal and Southampton took them to the cleaners, the season before that Bournemouth and Swansea did as well as did the usual suspects.

In the last 5 seasons apart from the 4-1 hiding we gave them which should have been a cricket score but for the heroics of their keeper we almost always allow them to impose their game on us and rarely beat them by more than 1 goal.

Some of these teams that have given them a real hiding are hardly world beaters are they. Am I still talking rubbish ? Am I being silly now ?
As to your comment about isolating them on the flanks not being possible given their set up, I beg to differ with your opinion. I will give you an example, that quick flighted ball to Aurier in the first half was one of the few occasions we tried it, he nodded into the centre and those two passes pulled them out of position and if Kane had been able to control it that would have been a near certain goal, that is what I'm talking about when I say using the sense you were born with and quick ball to pull players out of position.

Yes it's true and I accept you have a point about them sometimes setting up differently against other teams but that's not always the case. As for having no idea about how Poch sets his teams up, again that's nonsense, they are not always set up the same way and neither should they be. There is always room for improvement and whilst he is great at many things, he does need to work on setting up our teams to better cope with bus parkers.

If you still think I'm talking nonsense then that's up to you, everyone is free to have an opinion, but my eyes and reading of games doesn't deceive me, there are many ways to take West Ham apart and many teams do it regularly, the results and stats don't lie, what frustrates me is that we don't seem to anywhere near as often as we could or should, with the ability of the players we have and have had at our disposal. Again feel free to disagree if you like and if you do please explain why !

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Shadydan said:

It is when they come up against a top 6 side which is why the likes of Southampton and Brighton can beat them because they offer up more space on the pitch. Under Moyes they've setup and played deep against Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs and got 5 points out of them and conceded 1 goal which was a 35 yard strike, against Bournemouth they conceded 3 goals because they came out and played, I don't get what's so hard to understand about this.

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1882andallthat said:

I agree in part with what you are saying, but apart from this season Arsenal usually find ways to beat them comfortably, as do Liverpool, and your not telling me that they set up differently against Liverpool than they do against us, they sit deep regularly against Liverpool and they regularly lose by 3,4 and 5 so clearly Liverpool are doing something to West Ham and finding ways round their defence that we need to work on.

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TheChosenOne said:

I reckon we will get these irritating hearth rugs in the FA 4th.

They'll fluke their way past Shrewsbury and the fates will have them play us at Wembley again.

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Shadydan said:

I agree we have to work on our attacking play against teams who sit deep but West Ham always turn up against us and put in extra effort in when they play us, not sure why you'd discount this season especially under Moyes, expect him to set them up like that against the top 6 clubs and expect teams to struggle to break them down.

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tiger666 said:

I will, cos I'll still be here supporting my club, not acting like a petulant child because we drew a game of football. Idiot.

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shelfmonkey said:

I still don't understand why we don't set up in a 3-5-2 against bus parkers, the persistence with two holding in front of the back four is mind numbingly frustrating.

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gavspur said:

When teams are doing this over load of players in defensive areas, I don't think us overloading our attacking options helps. It means more congestion. Spain and Barca both had trouble with this anti-football tactic being used against them..

What did they do?

False no.9... how we get that to work, I dunno, but surely it's about teasing them out of shape, to create the spaces needed? Kane can drop deeper, he doesn't need to be on the shoulder of the CB. I think we need real width for this tho, still, could have used Lamela from the start, and GKN as a sub etc. Maybe we should try something different to make these teams think about using this against us?

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donny1013 said:

My mate found a ST belonging to ‘Doug Reynolds’ at Liv st last night. Don’t know if he chucked it in anger at that result, lol, but just seeing if anyone knows him on here? If not my mate will just send it to the club.

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mil1lion said:

It's easy to say we should play a higher tempo but not so easy when you're playing 48 hours after the last game. We looked tired and no surprise either. This schedule was a joke but we still came out of it with only 2 dropped points.

As for West Ham, what a joke of a club. The fans chanting 'we've only had 1 shot' like it's a positive thing just says it all really. Imagine if Spurs went into a game fighting for their lives just not to lose. No ambition whatsoever. I'm so glad I don't support one of these anti football clubs. It annoys me when people say this is the best league in the world yet so many teams park the bus. At least have a go and make a football match worth watching.

Ah well, our next home game in the league is against big Sam so I guess we go through it all again.

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FreddieYid said:

West Ham had no interest in playing last night and very little interest in even having the ball. They set up with a 5 man defence with two players sitting in front of them and played football that I’d hate to ever see us play.

However it’s our problem to find a solution to breaking these teams down not theirs for setting up that way. They got a great point for the shower of shit team they put out.

We’ve also struggled against West Brom, Swansea, Palace, Bournemouth and Burnley. We lack the guile and creativity to unlock stubborn defences and need to find a solution, as more and more teams will try and stifle us this way.

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idontgetit said:

Actually think we were simply very unlucky last night. They defended incredibly well and passionately, got away with some decent penalty shouts and had a player score a one in a million goal.

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