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Colonel Dax

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Put yourselves in the shoes of the other team.

Why on earth sell now if you don't have to? Unless the player is kicking up a right stink (or that's what you had agreed with them previously) then I'm not sure it's sensible; but you could name your price if you absolutely had to.

Now come back to Spurs' POV. We're not going to pay over the odds (see: all transfer windows). I doubt we'll ever see someone take as naturally to the team as Sanchez has, so there would be bedding in time risk too. Unless it's a Prem player (and who would that be?!)

All signs point to Summer quite naturally.

For expensive signings, you're right. But we need to be a bit more intelligent with our recruitment, perhaps scouting for some rough diamonds that wouldn't necessarily be out of our reach price wise - as Pochettino himself said last month:

"Dele is a very good example that you need to anticipate and today we are at a club that needs to anticipate. We cannot be reactive because if we are, we are going to lose.

“Maybe we need to sign the player in January and they can join in the summer, so six months before. Because if we are going to compete in the same period with Man City, Man United, Liverpool or Chelsea, then we are going to struggle to bring the players we want.

“And you need to be clever. Sometimes if you want to do business when the World Cup is finished, and some players are down the bottom and then after a good World Cup they are at the top, then you can say goodbye to that.”
 

Cravenspurs

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That's beside the point. You seem to be implying Janssen was bought by Poch without us scouting him. I wouldn't have thought that to be the case.

I don't know how you glean that from my statement. The clues we are getting is that he was watched plenty and that Poch gave the final nod to go and get him.
 

Hercules

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For expensive signings, you're right. But we need to be a bit more intelligent with our recruitment, perhaps scouting for some rough diamonds that wouldn't necessarily be out of our reach price wise - as Pochettino himself said last month:

"Dele is a very good example that you need to anticipate and today we are at a club that needs to anticipate. We cannot be reactive because if we are, we are going to lose.

“Maybe we need to sign the player in January and they can join in the summer, so six months before. Because if we are going to compete in the same period with Man City, Man United, Liverpool or Chelsea, then we are going to struggle to bring the players we want.

“And you need to be clever. Sometimes if you want to do business when the World Cup is finished, and some players are down the bottom and then after a good World Cup they are at the top, then you can say goodbye to that.”

There you go:mad::love:
 

Col_M

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Even before he came I was knocking him as not good enough, and via my netwoyin orang world they were laughing at us, and shared as much at the time.

I love reading your updates but sometimes I’m left more puzzled than before I started.
 

Stoof

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For expensive signings, you're right. But we need to be a bit more intelligent with our recruitment, perhaps scouting for some rough diamonds that wouldn't necessarily be out of our reach price wise - as Pochettino himself said last month:

"Dele is a very good example that you need to anticipate and today we are at a club that needs to anticipate. We cannot be reactive because if we are, we are going to lose.

“Maybe we need to sign the player in January and they can join in the summer, so six months before. Because if we are going to compete in the same period with Man City, Man United, Liverpool or Chelsea, then we are going to struggle to bring the players we want.

“And you need to be clever. Sometimes if you want to do business when the World Cup is finished, and some players are down the bottom and then after a good World Cup they are at the top, then you can say goodbye to that.”

I get the theory. And in a pre-internet world, absolutely. But if anyone is any good by about the time they are 13 they already have an army of representatives and a major take-away food advertising deal. ;)

Not so easy in 2018.
 

Cravenspurs

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I get the theory. And in a pre-internet world, absolutely. But if anyone is any good by about the time they are 13 they already have an army of representatives and a major take-away food advertising deal. ;)

Not so easy in 2018.

A friend's brother is a Strong Man competitor. Got frozen bacon for life. This is Strong Man in the Pacific Northwest mind you.

Edit: My point? If a bacon company can find a PNW weight lifter and hand out a sponsorship deal, then an up and coming footballer has been spotted.
 

Colonel Dax

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I get the theory. And in a pre-internet world, absolutely. But if anyone is any good by about the time they are 13 they already have an army of representatives and a major take-away food advertising deal. ;)

Not so easy in 2018.

True, but the big boys can't sign all the wonder kids. Hopefully we can find another one like Dele (Sessegnon?) :)
 

lukespurs7

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Seems like Levy is trying to back Poch and keep improving the recruitment set-up, I get the sense he is happy he finally has a manager he can trust and will do his best to back him and has learnt from previous player recruitment mistakes.

I feel like our transfers are still a bit hit and miss but slowly getting better. Sanchez was a 9/10 signing for price and at that age and how quickly he’s adapted, Brilliant. Llorente good signing for his experience etc but not really the right fit for me. If Poch also wanted Sissoko and VJ then concerns over his ability to pick a player, but then again he’s improved us massively year on year by shaping and moulding the squad to his liking and playing Dier CDM for example was genius so I think he certainly knows what he is doing but transfers just don’t always pay off. I don’t think VJ was a complete failure just didn’t live up to quite what we wanted, Sissoko is offering something now, again not quite as much as we’d have liked but he’s added something we didn’t have before so all in all I think it comes down to in Poch & Levy we trust, I just hope this summer we get it right as going into the new stadium one or two high profile signings could really see us get a fast start next year with all the positive vibes if the new ground is ready.

I personally don’t think our recruiting is that much better or worse than some of the other top6 clubs over the last 5-10 years, it’s just that the likes of Man.City, Chelsea and Man.U have spent big quite often and players like De Bruyne, Aguero, Yaya Toure, Kompnay, David Silva, Pogba, Ibra, lukaku, Hazard,Morata, etc etc are all far less likely to flop than a £17mil striker with only one seasons experience in the Dutch PL or a £7mil winger from Marseille etc.

COYS.
 

brasil_spur

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Let this please be taken as my opinion, based upon certain information gathered over past months. The club know they have to make a big statement in signings, especially against the uncontrollable rise of citeh and chavs, with mancs doing mancs. Now scoucers are spending, all be it most off sales, makes no difference.

I personally feel DL has convinced all and sundry to back Poch aggressively, on and off the pitch. Poch wants certain types of players to fit in with what he has. You can sign only so many untapped potential; Sanchez and Alli being 2 great examples. But against that you have the Clints and GKN, of this world. You then have VJ, which was 100% all Poch’s doing. Then you have Sissoko, who was again Poch’s doing

I believe our team of scouts does a better job in identifying the right ones. Putting that all together, this summer will be the most critical of our recent history. We will spend big, and have to get it right. We cannot afford any cock-ups, or late signings.

I don't think we get it too wrong with our player purchases, at worst 50% of our signings work out for us, which is a very decent return rate given we don't spend like Citeh or the Chavs (and even those two teams probably have very similar success percentages).

Where i think we do get it massively wrong is that we don't cut our losses soon enough.

It's clear we need to sell Sissoko and replace him, and frankly given we are paying Newcastle for him in yearly payments we could sell him for £15m and our losses would be minimal. We then should be easily able to spend circa. £30-35m on a new midfielder and there are at least 5 viable options out there.

But will we do any of this in January, almost certainly not, which is where our main transfer weakness is IMO.
 

Gb160

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If anyone thinks that Sissoko is gonna choose to leave, when he's getting regular playing time, in a World Cup year, they're mental.
No one else is gonna pay £90kpw or whatever it is we pay him, so why would he leave?
 

rawhide

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If anyone thinks that Sissoko is gonna choose to leave, when he's getting regular playing time, in a World Cup year, they're mental.
No one else is gonna pay £90kpw or whatever it is we pay him, so why would he leave?
Besides, he’s a Poch favourite so he’s not likely to be sold, is he...
 

cider spurs

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A friend's brother is a Strong Man competitor. Got frozen bacon for life. This is Strong Man in the Pacific Northwest mind you.

Edit: My point? If a bacon company can find a PNW weight lifter and hand out a sponsorship deal, then an up and coming footballer has been spotted.


Are you sure you're not just telling porkies?. :joyful:
 

Johnny J

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I don't think we get it too wrong with our player purchases, at worst 50% of our signings work out for us, which is a very decent return rate given we don't spend like Citeh or the Chavs (and even those two teams probably have very similar success percentages).

Where i think we do get it massively wrong is that we don't cut our losses soon enough.

It's clear we need to sell Sissoko and replace him, and frankly given we are paying Newcastle for him in yearly payments we could sell him for £15m and our losses would be minimal. We then should be easily able to spend circa. £30-35m on a new midfielder and there are at least 5 viable options out there.

But will we do any of this in January, almost certainly not, which is where our main transfer weakness is IMO.
I agree with almost everything, but surely our loss on any player is dictated by how much we sell him for, and has nothing to do with whether we're paying his fee in instalments? If we sell Sissoko tomorrow for £100m (please God) or £1 (still acceptable), we'd still need to pay Newcastle the rest of the instalments owed.
 
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Gb160

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it seems as though no one wanted Sissy last summer - there was talk of that turkish outfit but the financials didn't seem to work out for them. Gotta play him to put him in the shop window and insist his value is still £30m to any interested parties. Poch has a juggling act on his hands. DL is looking to perform another transfer miracle here.
Even if we wanted £15m I don't think we'd stand a chance, no ones gonna equal or improve his pay imo.
So I can't see him in a hurry to leave.
 
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