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Harry Winks - Leicester City

southlondonyiddo

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Nov 8, 2004
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Such a fantastic young player. His total absence today is very worrying.

Not played any football over Christmas as far as I can remember and his form before that was poor

Must surely be carrying an injury. When will we hear that he suddenly needs an operation etc!?
 

mano-obe

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Mar 2, 2005
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City killed his confidence, but the love for him on this forum is a bit over the top. I've never joined in the bandwagon. He's very tidy and keeps things simple which is great for ball retention, but he's very sideways and backwards. He will get better but not sure if he'll end up like Livermore, Carroll, Mason etc at a lower league team. He's got time on his side and one of the best managers out there to help him.
 

DCSPUR

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Apr 15, 2005
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Such a fantastic young player. His total absence today is very worrying.

Not played any football over Christmas as far as I can remember and his form before that was poor

Must surely be carrying an injury. When will we hear that he suddenly needs an operation etc!?

Poch mentioned it and ben pearce spoke to him --- ankle (+ a cold)
 

DannyNZ

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City killed his confidence, but the love for him on this forum is a bit over the top. I've never joined in the bandwagon. He's very tidy and keeps things simple which is great for ball retention, but he's very sideways and backwards. He will get better but not sure if he'll end up like Livermore, Carroll, Mason etc at a lower league team. He's got time on his side and one of the best managers out there to help him.
I think he has shown that he already at a level ahead of Carrol, Lvermore or Mason and has more potential to develop than any of those guys had.
 

Kiedis

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Aug 4, 2013
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Winks is one of those players that is a great indication of whether or not you actually understand football. If you do not rate him based on his performances what he's done last season and up until he started playing injured, then there is so much to learn.

#Iamverysmart
 

dagraham

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Sep 20, 2005
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City killed his confidence, but the love for him on this forum is a bit over the top. I've never joined in the bandwagon. He's very tidy and keeps things simple which is great for ball retention, but he's very sideways and backwards. He will get better but not sure if he'll end up like Livermore, Carroll, Mason etc at a lower league team. He's got time on his side and one of the best managers out there to help him.

I agree he's not the true creative playmaker we need who can switch play at the drop of a hat or thread a defence splitting pass, but he's a better player than the three you mention imo.
 

mark87

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Nov 29, 2004
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I think he'll be even better when having wanyama along side him who will just efficiently break up play, allowing Harry to focus more on getting the ball forward.
 

talkshowhost86

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Oct 2, 2004
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City killed his confidence, but the love for him on this forum is a bit over the top. I've never joined in the bandwagon. He's very tidy and keeps things simple which is great for ball retention, but he's very sideways and backwards. He will get better but not sure if he'll end up like Livermore, Carroll, Mason etc at a lower league team. He's got time on his side and one of the best managers out there to help him.

He's much more than a sideways and backwards passer of the ball.

I think he needs time to get into a game sometimes, and in that time he is a bit reticent, but when he's at his best he's been excellent at getting the ball into the feet of our attacking players in the way that Carrick was always excellent at doing (and which very few people recognised at the time).

I think if we give him a run of games with Wanyama in midfield then we'll see an excellent partnership forming.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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The kid had a game at Wembley where he got groaned at for turning backwards when he could have moved forwards once. Dier does that 9 out of 10 passes. And he got the run around at City, who didn't ?

I've always caveated my praise of Winks as I don't think he's ever going to be Modric class (but neither is Dembele), and he does have some learning to do in terms of what he does when we don't have the ball, but it's hardly like he is out of form, and he's still been our best "8" option all season. Even as a 6 he held our midfield together in the CL games (our best ever CL group phase and one of the best by any club) against Real and Dortmund and the best league performance of the season against Liverpool, (with Eriksen and Alli either side - hardly a pair of midfield tigers).

His form hasn't taken a nose dive, Poch tactically fucked up the City game and he had a couple of bad moments in other games. Which of our players haven't ?

We've generally looked a better side when he's been playing this season, than when he hasn't.
 
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coys200

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May 22, 2017
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Winks problem may be that Poch wants to play a single pivot in CM. He’s done it all season even against the top teams. I’m just not sure winks is physically strong enough to play that role. I would say wanyama and dier are ahead of him. It may be a question if he can adapt into more like an eriksen that can play that sort in between role with a single pivot system. So you’re basically AM/CM.
 

Mullers

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Winks problem may be that Poch wants to play a single pivot in CM. He’s done it all season even against the top teams. I’m just not sure winks is physically strong enough to play that role. I would say wanyama and dier are ahead of him. It may be a question if he can adapt into more like an eriksen that can play that sort in between role with a single pivot system. So you’re basically AM/CM.
Wanyama and Dier is far too much of a defensive combination.
 

coys200

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Wanyama and Dier is far too much of a defensive combination.

Not together that’s my point Poch is only playing 1 CM. He’s definitely favouring a single pivot with 2 more attacking players either side. My point was winks may have to adapt to playing that role as opposed to single pivot.
 

glospur

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That groan against Brighton still fucking annoys me, anyone who was part of that is a grade A prick
I live on the other side of the so it's hard for me to say definitively because my Spurs watching experience is confined to dodgy streams and occasionally the television, but while our fans can be absolutely brilliant much of the time, particularly away from home, sometimes they can be really frustrating as well. I know a major part of the club's history is to play attractive football, and sometimes we're definitely hampered by those expectations, as noble as they are, but the groans and discontent when we're struggling to break down teams who come out with the sole intention of frustrating us do far more harm than good.
 

DJS

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Dec 9, 2006
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That groan against Brighton still fucking annoys me, anyone who was part of that is a grade A prick

Yep complete morons.

Yeah let's destroy the confidence of one of our own home-grown players, who is also a Spurs fan.

He hasn't even completed a full season with us yet due to injuries and idiot fans can be so fickle.
 

BringBack_leGin

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He’s a talented player and he has more vision than those he seems to be competing with (Dembele, Sissoko), but when it’s not going for him on the ball, he has less to fall back on off the ball. Like others, I feel a run in the side with Wanyama would be the making of him, but I’d caveat with the fact that I’d really expect him to start running the show against those bus parking sides as he’d see so much of the ball.

I think really the solution to a lot of our 0.66 midfielders would be a 433, with Wanyama / Dier at the base, Dele / Dembele as box to box and Eriksen / Winks as the playmaker. Sadly Pochettino seems resistant to trying this formation,
 

E17yid

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That groan against Brighton still fucking annoys me, anyone who was part of that is a grade A prick

I like Winks and he’s Spurs so I personally wouldn’t but for me groaning isn’t really that bad. It’s definitely different to booing. Booing, to me, implies some premeditated thought “I’m gunna boo this ****” whereas groaning can just be a natural, instinctive reaction normally born out of frustration.

Sometimes you can see Poch doing a lot worse than groan, or boo, on the touch line.
 
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