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Johnny J

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If we sell Sissoko in the summer, he'll have acrued 2 years of amortisation at £6m a year (£30m/5 x 2). That's £12m of depreciation on the accounts/written off against tax. So if we sold him at £18m we wouldn't in theory be making a loss. Anything above £18m goes back into the transfer funds.

Anyone know more about this/player amortisation than me?
Right, but that has nothing to do with us paying in instalments.
 

cabinfever

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it seems as though no one wanted Sissy last summer - there was talk of that turkish outfit but the financials didn't seem to work out for them. Gotta play him to put him in the shop window and insist his value is still £30m to any interested parties. Poch has a juggling act on his hands. DL is looking to perform another transfer miracle here.


Speaking of which, Irish radio had a piece about Stoke yesterday, they could end believe that we got £18m for Wimmer. Heaping praise on DL for a fantastic piece of business (I know, it's a bit off topic).
 

allatsea

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Let this please be taken as my opinion, based upon certain information gathered over past months. The club know they have to make a big statement in signings, especially against the uncontrollable rise of citeh and chavs, with mancs doing mancs. Now scoucers are spending, all be it most off sales, makes no difference.

I personally feel DL has convinced all and sundry to back Poch aggressively, on and off the pitch. Poch wants certain types of players to fit in with what he has. You can sign only so many untapped potential; Sanchez and Alli being 2 great examples. But against that you have the Clints and GKN, of this world. You then have VJ, which was 100% all Poch’s doing. Then you have Sissoko, who was again Poch’s doing

I believe our team of scouts does a better job in identifying the right ones. Putting that all together, this summer will be the most critical of our recent history. We will spend big, and have to get it right. We cannot afford any cock-ups, or late signings.

Thanks for the update and this is not intended as a dig at you but I will believe it when it happens. We may start off with good intentions but competition from other clubs/wages etc will overwhelm us once again. Plus why are we waiting for the summer ?
 

Danners9

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I'm sure Janssen was well scouted. He was top scorer in the Eredivisie with 27 goals.
The stats are misleading with him. His rise was fast, that season was his first in the top league and most of those goals came in the 2nd half of the season. So 5 months of form and he's already in the (quite poor) Dutch side and off to England. If he was scouted well, they should have dug deeper. But it's also difficult; 15m for a player who could get better vs 45m for a ready made star. Not sure Spurs would have shelled out an extra 30 for someone like Lacazette, who is also struggling this season.
 

coy-spurs1882

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The stats are misleading with him. His rise was fast, that season was his first in the top league and most of those goals came in the 2nd half of the season. So 5 months of form and he's already in the (quite poor) Dutch side and off to England. If he was scouted well, they should have dug deeper. But it's also difficult; 15m for a player who could get better vs 45m for a ready made star. Not sure Spurs would have shelled out an extra 30 for someone like Lacazette, who is also struggling this season.
if he gave similar stats again in the dutch league, he will probably go for a much higher fee and people will ask why didn't we go for him earlier...
 

Danners9

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if he gave similar stats again in the dutch league, he will probably go for a much higher fee and people will ask why didn't we go for him earlier...
That's also true. It's the dilemma when speculating on who will succeed and who will not. Not everyone will. In Janssen's case, the move to Spurs was too soon in his career, but - as you say - another season there would see the price double. Instead, here we are and it's not worked out.
 

spursfan77

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I already accepted the noted successes. Sonny was always on our radar before Poch arrived. It just worked out that when he came here, we were pursuing Sonny.

We originally looked at him when trying to replace bale that summer he left. So yeah he was always on a list.
 

aussiespursguy

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That's also true. It's the dilemma when speculating on who will succeed and who will not. Not everyone will. In Janssen's case, the move to Spurs was too soon in his career, but - as you say - another season there would see the price double. Instead, here we are and it's not worked out.
To be honest, we will never lose money on him. Bought at 17m and for a striker thats a pitance. He is what, 23? He will improve in the coming years. I would hang on to him. I really think he could offer something as number 2 to Harry in years to come.
 

lukespurs7

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That's also true. It's the dilemma when speculating on who will succeed and who will not. Not everyone will. In Janssen's case, the move to Spurs was too soon in his career, but - as you say - another season there would see the price double. Instead, here we are and it's not worked out.
This.
It was a calculated risk within our financial constraints at the time and didn’t pay off, some work out, some don’t.
 

lukespurs7

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To be honest, we will never lose money on him. Bought at 17m and for a striker thats a pitance. He is what, 23? He will improve in the coming years. I would hang on to him. I really think he could offer something as number 2 to Harry in years to come.
I think he offered more than Llorente tbh. Work rate at least
 

shelfmonkey

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Big surprise eh?
Summer eh?
Abroad eh?

So that gives us around 7 months or so of frantic guessing and second guessing who this surprise is gonna be.

I like that a few people have mentioned that we want to make a statement this summer. Very interesting to see how it plays out.

I'd be surprised if the surprise isn't surprising, but then I wouldn't be surprised if the surprise doesn't arrive! However, I would be surprised if the surprise did arrive, which for Spurs would be surprising, especially if the surprise does turn out to be particularly surprising.

:D
 

Roynie

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I'd be surprised if the surprise isn't surprising, but then I wouldn't be surprised if the surprise doesn't arrive! However, I would be surprised if the surprise did arrive, which for Spurs would be surprising, especially if the surprise does turn out to be particularly surprising.

:D

Pah, what a surprise! :cautious:
 

Lou3000

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I think he offered more than Llorente tbh. Work rate at least

Seriously, Banging them in in the Prem isn't easy. There are lots of players in the league that are supposed to be Prem level scorers, and they're struggling.

In 17 appearances for Palace, Benteke has managed just one goal this campaign. Lacazette, 8 in 25. Callum Wilson and Josh King combined have just 7 goals in 33.

I rather liked Jansen's contribution. We've got scorers in Son, Dele, Lamela, and Eriksen. Jansen definitely created space and opportunities.
 

stevenurse

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Fuck me, has it got that bad that we are saying Janssen was good now?

He was gash, we don't play to Llorentes strengths. That's the long and short of it. Llorente should/could have been our plan b like arsenal and Giroud. He's average but scores a ridiculous amount of late, important goals for them.

Its always gonna be a tough gig playing back up to Kane but that's the small price to pay for having a world class forward.
 

Dan Yeats

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Fuck me, has it got that bad that we are saying Janssen was good now?

He was gash, we don't play to Llorentes strengths. That's the long and short of it. Llorente should/could have been our plan b like arsenal and Giroud. He's average but scores a ridiculous amount of late, important goals for them.

Its always gonna be a tough gig playing back up to Kane but that's the small price to pay for having a world class forward.
Llorente's been so utterly shite that not only does he make me long for Janssen, but long for the return of Rasziak.
 

piedpiper

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I don't have a problem with having taken a chance on Janssen....

What i cant fathom is why we shipped him out without the opportunity of a second season. Like Son\Lamela before him i think it would have done him the world of good.
 

Dan Yeats

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I'd be surprised if the surprise isn't surprising, but then I wouldn't be surprised if the surprise doesn't arrive! However, I would be surprised if the surprise did arrive, which for Spurs would be surprising, especially if the surprise does turn out to be particularly surprising.

:D
Maybe it's this guy?

Technically a Baron, but close...
 

Dan Yeats

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I don't have a problem with having taken a chance on Janssen....

What i cant fathom is why we shipped him out without the opportunity of a second season. Like Son\Lamela before him i think it would have done him the world of good.
I hope we've not given up on him, but just figured that he needed minutes outside of the Eridivisie to help his transition to the EPL.
 
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