The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 7th January
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'O Zio
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I mostly agree with this. People moan constantly about our transfers but in terms of hit-rate (or whatever you want to call it) I'd say we have one of the best records out of the "big 6". When Liverpool sign Salah, VVD etc. people come out saying things like "those are the sort of signings we should be making, not bloody GKN etc." but they forget all the dross Liverpool have signed too, and for a lot of money as well. At least when we mess up, it's usually not for that much money so not a massive deal. Liverpool have signed a far higher % of dross over the past 10-15 years and for hundreds of millions more as well.
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am_yisrael_chai
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I’m not a huge Llorente fan but there is no way that Janssen would have been able to put in the performance that Llorente did at the Bernabeu.
He looks a bit lazy to me but his quality is way in excess of Janssen.
Of course the real issue is that neither are what we need but someone like Martial or a second HMS seem to be beyond our budget.
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Is that a new STD?
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lukespurs7
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True, just think Jansen suited our style more, Llorente is great for European games where it’s slower and his experience is helpful so that’s a real bonus and I bet th squad respect him for what he’s achieved but on the pitch I think janssen offered a bit more to be honest just think he is a confidence player and it’s hard to score with 10,15 min appearances off the bench every game.
dagraham
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Truth is neither of them suit our style. Simply not mobile enough. Which is why I find it odd that we signed them, especially if they were Pochettino picks.
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Personality counts with Pochettino, possibly more than talent in some cases. Gazzaniga was signed as 3rd choice keeper apparently on the basis that he's a good lad in the dressing room, and actually turned out to be needed to play against Palace (when did we last start our 3rd choice keeper?).
Any striker who's interested in coming to Spurs knows they'll be second choice as we have a genuine superstar up front. Perhaps Llorente was picked as a player who wouldn't mind limited minutes behind Kane (first priority), is a positive presence in the squad (second priority) and is pretty good at the actual football bit (third priority). If those were the criteria, you're pretty much looking at either a youngster or a veteran - you won't get (to pick random examples) Daniel Sturridge or Andre Gray to come and sit on the bench. You're limiting yourself to relatively slim pickings, of which Llorente then ended up being the best available. His previous experience at international level is probably a useful thing to have around for the kids, too. Of course, Wilfred Bony was available at the same time - maybe we should have cut out the middle man!
am_yisrael_chai
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I think the entire premise of buying a striker who can only play instead of Kane is wrong. We need to be looking at buying another player like Son who can play instead of Kane when required but for most of the time is capable of playing with Kane. Neither Janssen or Llorente are that player and if we look to sign another one this summer I’d be very concerned about the planning of our squad construction.Personality counts with Pochettino, possibly more than talent in some cases. Gazzaniga was signed as 3rd choice keeper apparently on the basis that he's a good lad in the dressing room, and actually turned out to be needed to play against Palace (when did we last start our 3rd choice keeper?).
Any striker who's interested in coming to Spurs knows they'll be second choice as we have a genuine superstar up front. Perhaps Llorente was picked as a player who wouldn't mind limited minutes behind Kane (first priority), is a positive presence in the squad (second priority) and is pretty good at the actual football bit (third priority). If those were the criteria, you're pretty much looking at either a youngster or a veteran - you won't get (to pick random examples) Daniel Sturridge or Andre Gray to come and sit on the bench. You're limiting yourself to relatively slim pickings, of which Llorente then ended up being the best available. His previous experience at international level is probably a useful thing to have around for the kids, too. Of course, Wilfred Bony was available at the same time - maybe we should have cut out the middle man!
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Problem is that good players want to play - especially in World Cup years. If you’re a top class striker, your first question is going to be whether you will be getting game time. With Kane as the competition for the lone striker role, chances are you won’t be!
Alternatively, we DO sign someone on Kane’s level and guarantee him starts - then Kane gets the hump and wants to leave... bit of a challenge.
And I can see it being the same for anyone looking to slot into Alli’s place, etc.
Only time it works out is in cases like signing Sanchez where rotation is possible, he was young and looking to step up a level and then got “lucky” with the injury to Toby.
bubble07
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Said this for months. That is the key. A first choice wing forward who can also replace Kane when needed
A player like Martial or Rashford
mill
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Did you read the post you quoted? It doesn’t seem like you did at all
dagraham
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Amen to that. There also seems to be no middle ground between "one of the best strikers in the world" and "striker who isn't really good enough or doesn't fit our style of play at all".
Obviously everyone knows that Kane is first choice, but things change quickly in football and most good players believe in their ability and know that one injury can change everything.
I've never believed in this nonsense argument that we can't have quality players who don't start every week. Look at Son. There is no reason why we can't have genuine competition for places, provided we're not targeting egomaniacs like Ibra.
Having said that, maybe Poch believed that he could improve Jansenn, work with him like Kane to get more agile, more mobile etc, but he wasn't as receptive as he thought. Perhaps if that's the way we are going to go the time has come to look at up and coming strikers playing in the Championship etc who already have the attributes required in our game, but are willing to be patient.
Everlasting Seconds
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You guys are relentless. I've never read so many posts in one thread about a striker behind Kane.
Finchyid
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It was......means Lamela can get in CL squad !
mill
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He could’ve anyway, you can make some changes to the squad, 3 I think
am_yisrael_chai
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It’s funny you replied to my post because you seemed to completely ignore what I said. If we sign another player like Son - examples from the Bundesliga would be Reus or Schurrle - you don’t need to address the question of whether they will get game time due to Kane playing because they can play WITH Kane. If you keep trying to sign someone who can only play INSTEAD of Kane you will continue to have a problem.
Finchyid
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Yeah but it would have meant removing someone it....I thought I read somewhere that GKN going on loan allows this to happen naturally
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