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Janssen or Llorente

Whos better for us

  • Janssen

    Votes: 136 60.4%
  • Llorente

    Votes: 89 39.6%

  • Total voters
    225

dontcallme

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Mar 18, 2005
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Jansen, I just didn’t get the signing of Llorente - firstly we could’ve saved the £14m in transfer fees and whatever wages we’re paying Llorente to put towards a proper alternative to Kane instead of getting most likely 2 seasons out of Llorente.

Secondly Llorente is past is best and really doesn’t suit our style of play, when we signed him I eventually thought “well maybe he’s a plan b, when we’re really struggling to score we’ll hit his head ala Man U with Fellaney” and hopefully we’d gain some extra points that way. However we really don’t seem to mix it up when he comes on, it just seems odd not to play to his strengths when needed.

Jansen with another season may have found his confidence to fulfill what they saw in him originally to sign him, by sending him on loan he’s all but done here so we’ll now have two strikers to shift in the next summer or two.

If we'd have kept Janssen do you think we'd have given him enough minutes on the pitch to get to the required level?
 

'O Zio

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Dec 27, 2014
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Hard to really judge either of them to be honest as neither of them had much in the way of a proper run of games. It's hard to really settle in when you're almost exclusively limited to 15 minute cameos every couple of weeks.

For what it's worth, Llorente is clearly the better player based on his career as a whole, and he did well for Swansea, but the problem is he's got a certain style of play/role that suits his strengths and we never play like that. Even when we bring him on to chase a game late on, we still keep trying to pass it around on the ground, which he's not good at. We need to start hoofing it long to him other wise there's no point in playing him.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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This "back up striker" striker debate has always been a bit of a misnomer. A bit misconstrued.

For a start, we have always had Son, who happens to be one of this league's most prolific strikers, and as a bonus can be kept happy because he plays in other positions.

Secondly, in terms of out and out number 9's, many seem to think it's possible to have two strikers of high calibre, when the reality is very few teams do, even the uber clubs.

Most football teams play a lone striker system, therefore, whoever is back up will never have the opportunity to build up that confidence rhythm that is vital to strikers, play-score-get confidence-score more-play....etc Very few strikers can show prolific strike rates whilst playing ad hoc.

Any striker we sign knows he is coming here to be a back up. Realistically, which striker of any real quality is going to accept being back up every week, and not even at an uber club, where at least he'd be handsomely compensated for sacrificing his career?

I don't really get anyone saying Janssen didn't suit us ? Janssen adjusted his game (Poch said as much) to adapt to our style and as such he suited us much better than someone like Batshuyai would have done - who sin't even trusted by Conte to play when Chelsea's first choice is out most of the time). For a side like us we need a fulcrum, someone who hustles and bustles the CB's drops a little at times, holds up play sometimes and brings the AM's in, then busts a gut to get himself into the box. Janssen offered most of these qualities. He worked hard at the hold up side of his game, was quicker than most appreciated, did most of the off ball work and hold up stuff nearly as well as Kane, but inevitably, isn't as good a striker or finisher as Kane. But for the system we play, and the need for someone decent but happy to be an understudy, he ticked boxes pretty well.

I would have loved us to gone for Dzeko when he left ManC or was having his "shit" spell first year in Italy - I said so at the time - he was better than he was showing, and there has been the odd other player who can replicate what we need, like Dolberg at Ajax, but even then you have to question why either would be happy to come here and sit on a bench for 35 games a season? And that's before we rationalise whether we as a club could afford to pay 50m and 3-5m a year for a bench warmer.


Bottom line, is someone like Janssen is as good as we can realistically or logically expect as a back up 9, taking into account budget, ability, wages, style, tactics we play. Bayern have just bought Sandro Wagner on this kind of basis for example.

When you chuck in that we also have Son, it was never an issue that we should have been getting vexed about, and Kane, Son, Janssen is a trio that's as good as anyone's in the PL just about.
 
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Bulletspur

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Oct 17, 2006
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Shame about edwards attitude, i wanted to see the little messi sprout this season.
What attitude? Its been officially documented that there was nothing wrong with his attitude despite the various rumours. I think you should stop spreading this unfounded rumour. Its the same as when others were saying Lamela wouldn't return because he was either home sick or on drugs

Back to your poll. I have been more impressed with Janssen's efforts of last season than what I see Lloriente offers us so far. I was really hoping Janssen would have taken off this season but we will never know now
 
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jackson

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Jan 27, 2006
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If we'd have kept Janssen do you think we'd have given him enough minutes on the pitch to get to the required level?

I guess going by his first season we’d have to assume not, however circumstances may have fallen in his favour (see Sissoko) and he may have produced or not (see Sissoko...) we’ll never know but what we’ve guaranteed, by loaning him, is that he’d never get the chance.

That said I thought he did a decent job in his role as a sub to come on and work hard/hold it up etc. If we’d been talking about bringing in a real alternative striker, to Kane, and not a last minute short-term signing I would see the logic in his loan but as it is I really cant
 
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robbiedee

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Jul 6, 2012
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I've gone for Janssen just because the emotional moment when he got his first goal from open play. I loved it when every other Spurs player hugged him in celebration...still brings a tear to my eye...
 

Jimmypearce7

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Feb 23, 2005
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They are both useless. When you add Soldado, that is three centre forward buys in a row that have been way below the level we need, at a total cost of over £50 million!
 

ultimateloner

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Jan 25, 2004
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Whichever one is happier playing second fiddle to Kane, as neither look like they can fill his boots.
Llorent's older so more likely to be happier.
I agree with BC that Son gets first dips anyway for the striker spot, assuming Lamela's fit.
 

isaac94

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Jan 5, 2017
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Got to be Llorente, he has pedigree and experience, and proven in the PL, least he adds something to the group. Janssen I was up for giving another chance to, but just looked at how his doing in Turkey, 2 goals in 11 games, hardly inspiring reading is it, especially in such a weak league.
 

coys200

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May 22, 2017
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Janssen purely on work rate. And he did ruffle feathers when he came on. I always felt it was about to happen but never did
 

Janice

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What attitude? Its been officially documented that there was nothing wrong with his attitude despite the various rumours. I think you should stop spreading this unfounded rumour. Its the same as when others were saying Lamela wouldn't return because he was either home sick or on drugs

Back to your poll. I have been more impressed with Janssen's efforts of last season than what I see Lloriente offers us so far. I was really hoping Janssen would have taken off this season but we will never know now
Sorry thought it was itk

Also i need some logic as to why edwards doesnt get a look in for all his glowing reports, doesnt make sense at all
 

Mullers

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Jan 4, 2006
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I was happy with Son as the backup, he is the perfect answer. I don't know we didn't save ourselves some money and just keep him in that role.
 

St José Dominguez

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Personally I'd sell both of them in the summer and forget about having a backup number 9 who can only play that position. There's less chance than ever that any quality striker would sign for us with Kanes form, even a player with potential would be mad to join us as he'd barely ever play and progress here. To get a quality player ignoring all that in today's market would cost £30m+ and we can't afford to be spending that on someone who'd only start 5 games and make sub appearances now and then.

I'd rather have Son as backup striker and purchase a player in the same mould as Son who can play any of the attacking mid roles and as a number 9.
 

kaz Hirai

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Nov 5, 2008
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Just the 2 goals for fenerbache this season. doubt they'll be kicking down our door throwing money at Levy's office to make the transfer perm. More like kicking down our door and asking what the hell did you lend us.

Consequently llorente also has a mere two goals, so not exactly great either. much less starts though than Janssen.

Son is is comfortablely better than both even played out of position
 
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JB_Spurs

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Just the 2 goals for fenerbache this season. doubt they'll be kicking down or door throwing, only I Levy's office to make the transfer perm. More like kicking down our door and asking what the hell did you lend us.

Consequently llorente also has a mere two goals, so not exactly great either. much less starts though than Janssen.

Son is is comfortablely better than both even played out of position

Fenerbahce fans are loving Janssen to be fair.
 
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