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scat1620

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TOP RIGHT has done well to make a second career for himself in football after playing 3 of Hans Gruber's henchmen from the original Die Hard movie.
 

Hengy1

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I think we did under AVB as well though not as young as Poch. Either way I don't understand why that's relevant, to judging who has used the academy more, if Poch chooses to buy young players and not use the academy, then he is not using the academy. In double the time, he has used it less. He may never bring another through again but will a young starting XL make that acceptable, will we just keep finding more and more reasons why we can't question this aspect of his management.

As BG said in the old thread I saw, we have produced more World Class players than we have ever bought, and we are still more likely to produce a World Class player than we are to buy one. I only care about Spurs being successful
Goes to show if these young players are good enough Poch will play them. That’s been shown with us and Southampton.

We know you have a bee in your bonnet atm about this so I’ll leave it there (y)
 

Blake Griffin

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Goes to show if these young players are good enough Poch will play them. That’s been shown with us and Southampton.

We know you have a bee in your bonnet atm about this so I’ll leave it there (y)

they're good enough because they've been allowed to prove it under another manager.
 

Hengy1

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they're good enough because they've been allowed to prove it under another manager.
Dele played loads in L1 but hadn’t proved he was good enough for premier league, Poch gave him his chance and look now.

Could Poch do more maybe but I’m more inclined to go with him than not tbh.

He’s a excellent coach for young players
 

thekneaf

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I mean Onomah got minutes (don't really care about this "but not at CM" debate). If you get into the pitch you need to show there's something about you. He hasn't yet really for us. When a player is good enough they will force themselves into reckoning.

Alli was never meant to walk into the first team. But he took his chance.

Dier has played anywhere he's been asked and always shown willing.
 

IGSpur

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Dele played loads in L1 but hadn’t proved he was good enough for premier league, Poch gave him his chance and look now.

Could Poch do more maybe but I’m more inclined to go with him than not tbh.

He’s a excellent coach for young players

But he had already proven he was good enough for professional /adult football. Like Sessegnon has, like any signing we make from Ligue 1 or Eredivisie or wherever. We see them playing in competitive league's judge their ability and decide to buy them Alli was already good enough for PL football. You've described how every signing from outside the PL works, and giving kudos to the manager for playing them. Depay wasn't proven in PL football pat on the back for LVG for giving him his chance.

It would have been more difficult if we had bought Sancho and played him in the PL, as he wasn't already playing first team football.

You're right he is an excellent coach for young players, we agree on some things.
 

beats1

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Dele played loads in L1 but hadn’t proved he was good enough for premier league, Poch gave him his chance and look now.

Could Poch do more maybe but I’m more inclined to go with him than not tbh.

He’s a excellent coach for young players
There's no doubt about that, he is great at taking players and make them realise their potential however he is not good at developing youth players who are farm fresh

Also your point about us having the youngest squad is a funny one, Mourinho has a reputation for being terrible with young players yet he has done well at developing young talent and yet he is the manager that developed the youngest first team to win the title
 

Hengy1

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But he had already proven he was good enough for professional /adult football. Like Sessegnon has, like any signing we make from Ligue 1 or Eredivisie or wherever. We see them playing in competitive league's judge their ability and decide to buy them Alli was already good enough for PL football. You've described how every signing from outside the PL works, and giving kudos to the manager for playing them. Depay wasn't proven in PL football pat on the back for LVG for giving him his chance.

It would have been more difficult if we had bought Sancho and played him in the PL, as he wasn't already playing first team football.

You're right he is an excellent coach for young players, we agree on some things.
You couldn’t have known Dele was already good enough for premier league. I’d watched since he was 14 and I weren’t even sure he’d be ready straight away like he was.

I just think some are incredibly harsh on poch tbh and it’s pretty annoying
 

IGSpur

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There was a post in the opposition thread with loads of winner ratings that had this part in it.

"Why aren't the voices about the mass loans louder, that sees both City and Chelsea hoover up the youth of football and loan them all out, killing careers and top-loading clubs? No one cares, instead the cream of Chelsea's youth team, most of whom will never play for the club, are lauded for their success for England as if they're in any way Chelsea's."

While I agreed with loads of the post, I think this is an example of how we look down on other clubs when we have no right to do so. The amount of times I have seen our fans say let's buy so and so and stick them in our academy, as they claim competition is good for development, and there is no sentiment in business and they'd stand as much chance coming through as they would here.

Also Chelsea and City produce a lot of academy players that go on to have good careers through loans. When we used that method we did well, but since we don't we're now stalling careers of players who won't feature for us. We're not better or worse than any other PL club, we need to stop taking the moral high ground
 

IGSpur

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You couldn’t have known Dele was already good enough for premier league. I’d watched since he was 14 and I weren’t even sure he’d be ready straight away like he was.

I just think some are incredibly harsh on poch tbh and it’s pretty annoying

There was a post @Flobadob I believe who watched Alli and thought he was good enough for the PL. I don't think we would have signed him if we did not believe he was good enough for the PL. We signed GKN as we believed he was good enough for the PL. Fans, as I always say, completely underrate English academy players, if they're talented and one of the best in their age group they will be good enough for the PL regardless of what league they are playing in.

I didn't watch Alli in League One but had seen him for England, I didn't think he was quality but if someone said he could play in the PL I wouldn't have questioned it. If you're playing England u19s 9 times out of 10 you're going to be good enough for the PL. RLC, Winks, Alli, Galloway, Chilwell plus all played England u19s together, others who did and are/were good enough include Colkett, Roberts, Brown, Morris, Aina, but never received their chance.

I get annoyed also, when I believe I'm seeing talent go to waste, and us missing out, but if it's any consolation, I'm going to continue to be annoyed a lot longer than you will. I don't know why you'd be annoyed as you're getting what you want, its not affecting Poch, he won't read this board, and he won't leave, I'm sure he can take some critiquing if he did
 
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Hengy1

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There was a post @Flobadob I believe who watched Alli and thought he was good enough for the PL. I don't think we would have signed him if we did not believe he was good enough for the PL. We signed GKN as we believed he was good enough for the PL. Fans, as I always say, completely underrate English academy players, if they're talented and one of the best in their age group they will be good enough for the PL regardless of what league they are playing in.

I didn't watch Alli in League One but had seen him for England, I didn't think he was quality but if someone said he could play in the PL I wouldn't have questioned it. If you're playing England u19s 9 times out of 10 you're going to be good enough for the PL. RLC, Winks, Alli, Galloway, Chilwell plus all played England u19s together, others who did and are/were good enough include Colkett, Roberts, Brown, Morris, Aina, but never received their chance.

I get annoyed also, when I believe I'm seeing talent go to waste, and us missing out, but if it's any consolation, I'm going to continue to be annoyed a lot longer than you will
There’s no chance anyone would’ve thought Dele was good enough to go straight into our side for PL football especially not as a CM that he was at the time.

I loved Dele and wanted us to go for him a year before we did. I’ve watched him as s young boy before he even got into Mk academy yet still had my reservations.

Proved me wrong although in a totally different position.

Anyway on topic the only for me ready is KWP to compete for his position (and hopefully overtake Trippier this summer).

Most of the U23s should be released imo because not many are going to make it. ( the eldest of the lot not U19s playing up )
 

IGSpur

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Former academy player Malachi Peynado-Peart has terminated his contract by mutual consent with Palace
 

IGSpur

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Anyway on topic the only for me ready is KWP to compete for his position (and hopefully overtake Trippier this summer).

Most of the U23s should be released imo because not many are going to make it. ( the eldest of the lot not U19s playing up )

KWP and Onomah should get chances next year imo.

Agree about 2nd lot, should just release half, I'd still like us to do what we did with Khumalo and Hall. Don't know if it was intentional or not, but sign a pro who is either coming back from injury or at the end of his career, and a small contract, and let them play with our youngsters, to offer top level experience and help develop them. As none of our best players are allowed to play u23s, the new ones coming up will be playing against stronger teams with some current first teamers. It would be good to have a couple of old heads to help with their development
 

IGSpur

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There’s no chance anyone would’ve thought Dele was good enough to go straight into our side for PL football especially not as a CM that he was at the time.

Not straight into the side but straight into the squad. I can't remember the last signing we made that I expected to go straight into our first eleven. It's something we can't afford to do sadly.
 

Hengy1

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On a slightly different note MK signed Ugbo from Chelsea but he had to miss the game Vs AFC yesterday so he could play for there U23 team.

Is this common practice?
 

IGSpur

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On a slightly different note MK signed Ugbo from Chelsea but he had to miss the game Vs AFC yesterday so he could play for there U23 team.

Is this common practice?

On loan? No it's not but players come back to play u23 football while on loan. I doubt they'd prioritise an u23 match over a league match, so imagine MK said he wasn't going to play the match for whatever reason so Chelsea decide to use him
 

Hengy1

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On loan? No it's not but players come back to play u23 football while on loan. I doubt they'd prioritise an u23 match over a league match, so imagine MK said he wasn't going to play the match for whatever reason so Chelsea decide to use him
yes on loan. Can’t imagine we wouldn’t off used him as he signed a week before and started straight away against qpr. Must have been a prior arrangement although the U23 game wasn’t exactly a important one tbh ( Sunderland away won 5-0 with Ugbo getting 1 )
 

IGSpur

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yes on loan. Can’t imagine we wouldn’t off used him as he signed a week before and started straight away against qpr. Must have been a prior arrangement although the U23 game wasn’t exactly a important one tbh ( Sunderland away won 5-0 with Ugbo getting 1 )


Strange one. I don't believe it's common but then I only really follow us and we don't use them as much. Whatever it is I don't believe it would be a case of Chelsea prioritising an u23 match over a loan match. Makes no sense
 

Hengy1

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Strange one. I don't believe it's common but then I only really follow us and we don't use them as much. Whatever it is I don't believe it would be a case of Chelsea prioritising an u23 match over a loan match. Makes no sense
Yea hopefully won’t happen again as Mk need a good mobile striker. Can’t bear to watch many more bore 0-0
 

THFCSPURS19

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So apparently we’re going to sign centre-back Ben Wilmot from Stevenage. Discuss.
 
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