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Diarmuid

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I don't think anyone's every claimed he's the Messiah but you can't deny that he gives young players far more of a chance than most managers in the league and definitely more so than the managers of any of the other top 6 clubs. On top of that he's proved himself to be an excellent coach, not just of young players but the older ones as well. He definitely has his flaws but IMO the praise he gets for his work with the young players is mostly well-deserved.
I would have agreed with that until this season.. disappointed that with the exception of Winks, knowone else has made the step up or been given any real chance to impress...
 

'O Zio

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I would have agreed with that until this season.. disappointed that with the exception of Winks, knowone else has made the step up or been given any real chance to impress...

I take your point but I think a lot of that comes from the fact that he's been so successful at it over the past 2-3 years that he's set the bar very high for himself. As good a coach as he is, it's unrealistic to expect him to unleash a new Harry Kane-level kid from the academy every season. Also it's heavily dependent on whether players are ready to be brought into the team. KWP had a great debut and no doubt has talent, but Poch sees him every day in training and clearly doesn't feel that he's at a level yet where he can be a regular first team player. Let's not forget even if we say KWP can play LB as well as RB, we still effectively have 2 players in front of him for each position. In order for him to get a chance he needs to prove to Poch that he's a better option than Aurier, Trippier, Davies and Rose i.e. 4 well established and experienced senior players. Based on the fact that he hasn't been given any more starts suggests to me that he hasn't yet shown enough to warrant any of those 4 being dropped in his place. While KWP has potential, his current level is presumably, at least in Poch's opinion, still bellow that of Davies and Trippier.
 

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I take your point but I think a lot of that comes from the fact that he's been so successful at it over the past 2-3 years that he's set the bar very high for himself. As good a coach as he is, it's unrealistic to expect him to unleash a new Harry Kane-level kid from the academy every season. Also it's heavily dependent on whether players are ready to be brought into the team. KWP had a great debut and no doubt has talent, but Poch sees him every day in training and clearly doesn't feel that he's at a level yet where he can be a regular first team player. Let's not forget even if we say KWP can play LB as well as RB, we still effectively have 2 players in front of him for each position. In order for him to get a chance he needs to prove to Poch that he's a better option than Aurier, Trippier, Davies and Rose i.e. 4 well established and experienced senior players. Based on the fact that he hasn't been given any more starts suggests to me that he hasn't yet shown enough to warrant any of those 4 being dropped in his place. While KWP has potential, his current level is presumably, at least in Poch's opinion, still bellow that of Davies and Trippier.

one other thing, and this has struck me as a bit of a blind spot for some, is that players like Trippier and Davies worked and waited a LONG time to get their chance. I think @Hercules said it best that Poch invested 2 years in Trippier getting him to the level he wanted him to be at.
 

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3-0 up on the hour against Everton
and even Lamela only got 5 minutes.
Aurier had done his work and played well
what's Mauricio waiting for.
Give the boy a go,
 

Locotoro

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I can’t believe I’m going to say this but I think the best option for these players is to go out on loan to get game time.

CCV, Onomah, KWP, Edwards all need to be on loan for the second half of the season
 

IGSpur

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I can’t believe I’m going to say this but I think the best option for these players is to go out on loan to get game time.

CCV, Onomah, KWP, Edwards all need to be on loan for the second half of the season

Why can't you believe you're saying it?
 

Locotoro

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Why can't you believe you're saying it?
Because I’m a big proponent of keeping youth players in house and educating them in the style and philosophy of the club.

Sending them on loan gives them minutes but I certainly do think those minutes are trumped by being well drilled.

It’s also the reason why I was in favour of b teams in the league
 

allpaths

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Because I’m a big proponent of keeping youth players in house and educating them in the style and philosophy of the club.

Sending them on loan gives them minutes but I certainly do think those minutes are trumped by being well drilled.

It’s also the reason why I was in favour of b teams in the league
Sending our kids to a side that plays good football and has competition for places will always be more beneficial then the kid sitting on his hands for seasons on end just training.

Sending Marcus to Norwich seems like a wonderful fit, were Onomah's situation at Villa is a really disappointing and could cost him his Spurs career.
 

IGSpur

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It's a shame we can't have B teams in the league. It's no wonder the top Spanish clubs produce so many youth prospects.

It's not that they produce more top youth prospects, I don't think they do at all. It's just that they give them a chance, but you're suggestion would go some way to solving that in England
 

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Sending our kids to a side that plays good football and has competition for places will always be more beneficial then the kid sitting on his hands for seasons on end just training.

Sending Marcus to Norwich seems like a wonderful fit, were Onomah's situation at Villa is a really disappointing and could cost him his Spurs career.

If he is good enough and wants it enough, Onomah going to Villa will not end his career with Spurs. He needs to be showing his work ethic and trying to improve every day. If so, he has enough talent to get on the field and show that he deserves to fight for a spot with us. Some players need that challenge of playing and gaining the steel that it takes to play as a starter against men each week, others will benefit more from being around Spurs first team. It is not one solution for every player and know the people that watch these players in training every day know more of what they need than I do. Some players get breaks, others succeed despite bad luck, but, IMO, other than if a player is injured the player determines his level of success regardless of what club he ends up at.
 

Locotoro

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Can't agree with that I'm afraid. Would completely ruin the football league IMO

Well, the middle ground is the sponsorship argument. Prem teams sponsor failing clubs on long term basis. Bit like Monaco and Club Brugge now. Exchange of players, coaches and resources.

It could be the best of both.

Otherwise there is no other viable way to get the 99% into first team action without flinging them to a corner of the country to fend for themself with little support
 

'O Zio

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Because it only benefits PL clubs and takes away from all the ordinary football league clubs. If you suddenly plonk 20 PL B teams into the football league, that's 20 ordinary clubs that are suddenly cast out of it. Given the financial struggles of many clubs, that could put them out of business altogether.

Also very few people really follow the B team of their club as it stands anyway. OK so you get some people who like to go and watch the academy teams from time to time, but that's nothing compared to the many people who go regularly to see their local club so I'd take a proper local club with its own unique history and culture any day over some plastic B team for the PL. It would make a complete mockery of the whole football league and completely ruin everything that's good about it IMO.
 

philip

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Because it only benefits PL clubs and takes away from all the ordinary football league clubs. If you suddenly plonk 20 PL B teams into the football league, that's 20 ordinary clubs that are suddenly cast out of it. Given the financial struggles of many clubs, that could put them out of business altogether.

Also very few people really follow the B team of their club as it stands anyway. OK so you get some people who like to go and watch the academy teams from time to time, but that's nothing compared to the many people who go regularly to see their local club so I'd take a proper local club with its own unique history and culture any day over some plastic B team for the PL. It would make a complete mockery of the whole football league and completely ruin everything that's good about it IMO.
Agreed, but what could work is a bigger team adopting a smaller team.
Would have to be strict rules, but could work.

So, for example. Adopted team has to be at least two leagues lower.
Adopted team allowed max 12 players in squad from parent team.
If adopted team gets promoted to be one league below parent team, they allowed max 5 players and 5 staff from parent team.
If adopted team gets promoted to same league, all adoption must cease and no loans between the two clubs allowed.

Etc
 

FreddieYid

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You’d just have clubs like City pumping even more money into player recruitment and hoovering up youth prospects, solely to get their ‘b’ team up through the leagues. This would all come at the cost of lower league teams existence.
 
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