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Match Ratings Spurs vs Everton: player ratings

Motm

  • Lloris

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Aurier

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • Sanchez

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Vertonghen

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Davies

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dier

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • Dembele

    Votes: 47 14.7%
  • Alli

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 4 1.3%
  • Son

    Votes: 259 80.9%
  • Kane

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Wanyama

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Sissoko

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lamela

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Can't decide

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    320

fortworthspur

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bc and his biases. he was always slating walker who is a nailed on starter for the best team in a generation and one of the best managers in a generation. he's been a nailed on starter for every manager hes ever played for. and i bring him up because hes better than any fullback we have.
 

Bulletspur

The Reasonable Advocate
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Oct 17, 2006
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bc and his biases. he was always slating walker who is a nailed on starter for the best team in a generation and one of the best managers in a generation. he's been a nailed on starter for every manager hes ever played for. and i bring him up because hes better than any fullback we have.
Yeah, his love in for Eriksen and co despite having a bad game at times and his hate for Aurier and co despite them having good games is very tedious.
 

Mr Pink

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Aug 25, 2010
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I don’t expect players to shoot with 100% accuracy, but I’m struggling to call a skewed shot a deliberate act. Like I said, I can credit other facets of those goals, like what led to the shots, and what went after, but it’s pure luck on the part of Aurier and Son (doubly so in Son's case because Kane was also probably offside) that someone else anticipated cleverly and gambled and was rewarded.

You can rightly apply the “made our luck” cliche, but there was still an element of luck with both our first goals.

But its deliberate in the sense that it's being whipped into the danger area.

You're definitely right that he's shooting, but its also being fired into an area that multiple things can happen, so where we deserve credit is being alive to the situation, ie Son for reacting and Aurier for being direct and purposeful.

It's like when wide players whip the ball into that 'corridor of uncertainty', it's not necessarily precise but it's hitting that danger area that is more likely to create a mistake from the opposition/an opening for another attacker.

A huge amount of goals are scored that don't come from precise passing, more playing the ball into an area of difficulty for the opposition to cope with.
 

ohtottenham!

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Aug 15, 2013
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Both players shot badly. Neither player passed.



I am not surprised that some people have failed to grasp this most basic of concepts.
Think you need to look at both goals again, instead of defending your original statement. Look at the flow of the specific play in each instance; the fact that both Aurier and Son got beyond the defence, had attackers rushing in while the defence was stretched and exposed, and this against a bus-parking defence! Those opportunities come few and far between. Hit it low and hard toward the goal in those situations. Paid off in both cases.

Don't think either had the time to think of hitting a perfect shot at goal, but they knew they had an exposed defence and onrushing attackers in the goal area when they made their decisions. Yet, you strangely persist with the "skewed shot" argument and ignore the actual context of each game situation.
 

CheeseGromit

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Aug 22, 2013
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I am really surprised how many football followers only see the obvious and dont take in the bigger picture. Lots of comment regarding what one individual player did in a given circumstance yet little comment on how other members of the team are contributing to the situation. The opposite fact is often noticed players standing still not creating space/opportunity.

The one I particularly get irked about is the contribution of Dier. It s not all about what he does on the ball. He reads the game extremely well, takes defensive positions that deny opposition opportunity, and slows attacks down. Rarely if ever gets mentioned in a summary of his work. VW is also an extremely good in that role but offers a much more direct contribution with his more forceful style . Easier to see but not better than a clever Dier.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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But its deliberate in the sense that it's being whipped into the danger area.

You're definitely right that he's shooting, but its also being fired into an area that multiple things can happen, so where we deserve credit is being alive to the situation, ie Son for reacting and Aurier for being direct and purposeful.

It's like when wide players whip the ball into that 'corridor of uncertainty', it's not necessarily precise but it's hitting that danger area that is more likely to create a mistake from the opposition/an opening for another attacker.

A huge amount of goals are scored that don't come from precise passing, more playing the ball into an area of difficulty for the opposition to cope with.

So you don't think there's an element of luck at all when someone shoots and that shot instead of going on target, finds a team mate to tap in ?

Really ?

I bet you would if a Liverpool or Arsenal player had done it.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Think you need to look at both goals again, instead of defending your original statement. Look at the flow of the specific play in each instance; the fact that both Aurier and Son got beyond the defence, had attackers rushing in while the defence was stretched and exposed, and this against a bus-parking defence! Those opportunities come few and far between. Hit it low and hard toward the goal in those situations. Paid off in both cases.

Don't think either had the time to think of hitting a perfect shot at goal, but they knew they had an exposed defence and onrushing attackers in the goal area when they made their decisions. Yet, you strangely persist with the "skewed shot" argument and ignore the actual context of each game situation.

I think you need to live in the real world.
 

Mr Pink

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Aug 25, 2010
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So you don't think there's an element of luck at all when someone shoots and that shot instead of going on target, finds a team mate to tap in ?

Really ?

I bet you would if a Liverpool or Arsenal player had done it.[/QUOTE

I could understand that train of thought if the ball just flew off Son and into the net.

But lucky that Auriers shot ended up at his feet? Not really, it's a danger zone with other attackers bang in the middle of it.

It's that lucky BC, it just happens exactly the same way again for our second goal!
 

Bus-Conductor

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The world where we scored two goals from situations that you gave us a 2% chance? It happened for real!


There were 156 shots in the PL on Saturday. Only three resulted in goals where a player was shooting at goal, shot wide but was fortunate enough to find a team mate with that skewed shot who then put it in. One of them was Johnny Evans scoring a header at a set piece where his team mate got a near post header that was probably going for goal, which was going to go wide but Evans came in at the back post and scored with.

So yeah, odds suggest slightly greater than the 48/1 I was suggesting, more like 52/1. If we rule out set pieces where flick ons etc are the norm, then its actually more like 78/1, based on this weekend obviously.
 

ClonedFromSandrosBeard

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I can't stress how much I like Dier in that holding mid role. I think it's just had such an impact on our solidity. His one touch passing to shift play is also very underappreciated for me. Would like to see him and Winks together when we come against bus parkers in the future.

Anyway Son is absolutely MotM, always had brilliance but this consistency is making us all realise he's the real deal.

Kane was a bit off the boil and still scored two.
 

tiger666

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Jan 4, 2005
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There were 156 shots in the PL on Saturday. Only three resulted in goals where a player was shooting at goal, shot wide but was fortunate enough to find a team mate with that skewed shot who then put it in. One of them was Johnny Evans scoring a header at a set piece where his team mate got a near post header that was probably going for goal, which was going to go wide but Evans came in at the back post and scored with.

So yeah, odds suggest slightly greater than the 48/1 I was suggesting, more like 52/1. If we rule out set pieces where flick ons etc are the norm, then its actually more like 78/1, based on this weekend obviously.

You're becoming a meme.
 

ohtottenham!

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Aug 15, 2013
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There were 156 shots in the PL on Saturday. Only three resulted in goals where a player was shooting at goal, shot wide but was fortunate enough to find a team mate with that skewed shot who then put it in. One of them was Johnny Evans scoring a header at a set piece where his team mate got a near post header that was probably going for goal, which was going to go wide but Evans came in at the back post and scored with.

So yeah, odds suggest slightly greater than the 48/1 I was suggesting, more like 52/1. If we rule out set pieces where flick ons etc are the norm, then its actually more like 78/1, based on this weekend obviously.
Meaningless stats in terms of what we’re discussing. Not all “skewed shot” situations are the same…assuming ours were skewed shots in the first place!

I'm sure there were plenty of Andros Townsend-type, speculative skewed shots that occurred over the PL weekend. Totally different to the situations both Aurier and Son found themselves in at key moments.

Your stats don’t take into account the context of the specific play at the time; the position and movement of the “shooter”, his supporting attackers and the defence.
 
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SlotBadger

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Going massively against the grain here, but I thought that aurier was superb.
I honestly don't think that's against the grain.

I personally think he was excellent, despite the fact his delivery from wide was extremely poor. His involvement with the glorious fourth, and his (fortunate) assist for the opener are enough for me to rate his performance highly, but he did so much more than those two things.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Hopefully, now the dust has settled on the apoplectic piss fest about the fact that I was audacious enough to suggest there may have been elements of luck in our first two goals (despite saying that "As with the first goal, this wasn't all about luck" in what I originally wrote and described what Son did first as beautiful etc) we can perhaps take a moment to celebrate the thing that I spent a lot more time talking about in my OP (including praising Aurier, Son and Alli effusively for their parts) and that was the thing of utter, utter beauty that was that fourth goal.

I can't believe it didn't even feature in the Sky goal of the weekend competition, but at least a couple of the podcasts (Times/Guardian/TFS) singled it out for mention.

Personally I love this kind of goal best, as this is the essence of what football should be at it's very best, a collective of talented individuals combining to produce a thing of poetic beauty, be that an attacking move or a defensive press, and the more I watch this goal, the more sublime it gets for me, I didn't even appreciate that when you run it all the way back, every single player in our team, including Lloris, plays a part, without intervention from the opposition.

I've watched this goal every day this week, and it just gets better.
 

Spurrific

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Jun 2, 2011
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Hopefully, now the dust has settled on the apoplectic piss fest about the fact that I was audacious enough to suggest there may have been elements of luck in our first two goals (despite saying that "As with the first goal, this wasn't all about luck" in what I originally wrote and described what Son did first as beautiful etc) we can perhaps take a moment to celebrate the thing that I spent a lot more time talking about in my OP (including praising Aurier, Son and Alli effusively for their parts) and that was the thing of utter, utter beauty that was that fourth goal.

I can't believe it didn't even feature in the Sky goal of the weekend competition, but at least a couple of the podcasts (Times/Guardian/TFS) singled it out for mention.

Personally I love this kind of goal best, as this is the essence of what football should be at it's very best, a collective of talented individuals combining to produce a thing of poetic beauty, be that an attacking move or a defensive press, and the more I watch this goal, the more sublime it gets for me, I didn't even appreciate that when you run it all the way back, every single player in our team, including Lloris, plays a part, without intervention from the opposition.

I've watched this goal every day this week, and it just gets better.

I think it's something to do with it being broadcast on BT and Sky being ****s
 

BringBack_leGin

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Jul 28, 2004
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Hopefully, now the dust has settled on the apoplectic piss fest about the fact that I was audacious enough to suggest there may have been elements of luck in our first two goals (despite saying that "As with the first goal, this wasn't all about luck" in what I originally wrote and described what Son did first as beautiful etc) we can perhaps take a moment to celebrate the thing that I spent a lot more time talking about in my OP (including praising Aurier, Son and Alli effusively for their parts) and that was the thing of utter, utter beauty that was that fourth goal.

I can't believe it didn't even feature in the Sky goal of the weekend competition, but at least a couple of the podcasts (Times/Guardian/TFS) singled it out for mention.

Personally I love this kind of goal best, as this is the essence of what football should be at it's very best, a collective of talented individuals combining to produce a thing of poetic beauty, be that an attacking move or a defensive press, and the more I watch this goal, the more sublime it gets for me, I didn't even appreciate that when you run it all the way back, every single player in our team, including Lloris, plays a part, without intervention from the opposition.

I've watched this goal every day this week, and it just gets better.

At least these guys down under noticed...

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...-11-players-starting-with-their-goalie-2018-1
 
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