Ryan Sessegnon

heelspurs · Jan 19, 2018

tiger666 said:
He has a say in where he goes. He's done nothing wrong.

At no point did I say he did anything wrong. What I did say is that by not taking some contractual precautions you limit your suitors therefore, intrinsically, are limiting choice to only the clubs that can join the bidding war. Now if his first choice is in that limited bunch then it is no problem. If he doesn't have a true preference and just wants big money then no problem. But it is still unwise to return full leverage back to the club irrespective of how praiseworthy many, including myself, find it.

And yes he has a say in where he goes presently. The unwise part was he had ALL of the say previously. Now he is just party to that decision. I would never have allowed my kid to get in this situation and i cannot imagine any agent, lawyer, or any other fiduciary would have advised it. But who knows he may have negotiated 50% of his transfer fee is that is possible as he did give up on any sign-ons.

allpaths · Jan 19, 2018

Johnny J said:
I don't know. Not all forwards play on the opposite side to their best foot. You could be right.

he's young enough and talented enough that either way he'd be taught to play as an inside forward

JayB said:
That depends on whether we see him as a wide forward or a wingback. Despite the widely held belief that he will inevitably transition further up the pitch, he has been played primarily as a left back this season and it seems to be the case that we are lining him up as Rose's successor. LWB is one of the rarest and most highly sought-after positions in world football at the moment so he wouldn't be doing his career a disservice by staying there, and they largely take up attacking positions in Pochettino's system anyway.

Maybe and I did say that we could buy him with the intentions to keep him as a fb/wb. I just think all the indications are Sessegnon is gonna be an attacking midfielder and imo it would be a waste to have him as a wingback. There's lesser cheaper players that can forefill that role, we already have one of those at the club in Keanon Bennetts. We just have to be creative and open.

heelspurs · Jan 19, 2018

tiger666 said:
Would you be ok if our youth players insisted on a release clause like that?

If it is their legal right then what does it matter? Yes, I would be happy if release clauses were everywhere. And I sure as hell wouldn't rely on a Gentleman's agreement. People lie.

tiger666 · Jan 19, 2018

heelspurs said:
At no point did I say he did anything wrong. What I did say is that by not taking some contractual precautions you limit your suitors therefore, intrinsically, are limiting choice to only the clubs that can join the bidding war. Now if his first choice is in that limited bunch then it is no problem. If he doesn't have a true preference and just wants big money then no problem. But it is still unwise to return full leverage back to the club irrespective of how praiseworthy many, including myself, find it.

And yes he has a say in where he goes presently. The unwise part was he had ALL of the say previously. Now he is just party to that decision. I would never have allowed my kid to get in this situation and i cannot imagine any agent, lawyer, or any other fiduciary would have advised it. But who knows he may have negotiated 50% of his transfer fee is that is possible as he did give up on any sign-ons.

He signed his first professional contract with the club that developed him like just about every youth player in the country. Some people are just pissy we can't steal him off them for a pittance.

Matthew · Jan 19, 2018

dagraham said:
Why do I feel the phrase “priced out of it” is not too far away.

Really, really want us to be able to conclude this, but I have that old familiar feeling.

What you mean spurs unwilling to pay premium
For a player that was always going to cost a premium?... don’t sound like us atall does it!

heelspurs · Jan 19, 2018

tiger666 said:
He signed his first professional contract with the club that developed him like just about every youth player in the country. Some people are just pissy we can't steal him off them for a pittance.

I am aware of his story but none of that was my point. It was still unwise to sign without taking contractual precautions (assuming he didn't) to not limit his choice of clubs.

tiger666 · Jan 19, 2018

heelspurs said:
I am aware of his story but none of that was my point. It was still unwise to sign without taking contractual precautions (assuming he didn't) to not limit his choice of clubs.

You're saying every player that signs a contract without a release clause is being unwise?

dtxspurs · Jan 19, 2018

LexingtonSpurs said:
I think Coco will head back to Italy this summer. For whatever reason, he seems happier there.

This would make me sad.

mugpunt · Jan 19, 2018

I never really understood the indications that this was done being that we have no apparent leverage here...To get both bros in we may have to pay into the 40’s imo guesswork ....hopefully with some contingencies rather than straight up. And I think we have to swallow the pain and make him the most expensive teenager in history over the 35 m up front United paid for Martial. After all our faux outrage at Fulham getting their full pound of flesh is done, we just cannot miss out on these two imo so even for 40m+ we presumably have to wear the pain on this one. No doubt Man U are flashing ugly amounts but the kid wants to be a player and when we hit 40 for the two surely the new agency will get fired by the family if they don’t work for his best interests and tell the mancs that teenage boys ain’t going up north for cash at this stage in their careers...

heelspurs · Jan 19, 2018

tiger666 said:
You're saying every player that signs a contract without a release clause is being unwise?

No, my first point was that he had all the leverage and he gave it up. That was unwise but you disagreed saying he has a say in where he goes. True, but limited. And now you are on about release clauses. The point is you keep moving goalposts.

Now, shooting at this set of goalposts, yes, it is unwise to sign any contract without negotiating as much leverage as you can. Whether that be setting it up so that you are contractually free when you can sign your first pro contract, to coincide with WC/tourney cycles, release clauses, etc. Contracts should be signed with an eye on the next contract. It is a business and FFC would have release him quickly if he was shit. It is laudable that he did what he did but all players should seek release clauses.

There is a reason Daniel Levy does no longer allow players to get into the final year...actually the final 2 years. At that point he loses leverage and begins negotiating from a position of weakness.

tiger666 · Jan 19, 2018

heelspurs said:
No, my first point was that he had all the leverage and he gave it up. That was unwise but you disagreed saying he has a say in where he goes. True, but limited. And now you are on about release clauses. The point is you keep moving goalposts.

Now, shooting at this set of goalposts, yes, it is unwise to sign any contract without negotiating as much leverage as you can. Whether that be setting it up so that you are contractually free when you can sign your first pro contract, to coincide with WC/tourney cycles, release clauses, etc. Contracts should be signed with an eye on the next contract. It is a business and FFC would have release him quickly if he was shit. It is laudable that he did what he did but all players should seek release clauses.

There is a reason Daniel Levy does no longer allow players to get into the final year...actually the final 2 years. At that point he loses leverage and being negotiating from a position of weakness.

Ok whatever.

Deleted member 27995 · Jan 19, 2018

Hercules said:
Sess deal not cheap at all. A lot of talking going on

I take this as being positive though (cost withstanding)

Of all those we have been linked with Sessegnon is the player I would most like to be holding up a Spurs shirt (which ever window he hopefully arrives in!)

Snuzzy · Jan 19, 2018

allpaths said:
Maybe and I did say that we could buy him with the intentions to keep him as a fb/wb. I just think all the indications are Sessegnon is gonna be an attacking midfielder and imo it would be a waste to have him as a wingback. There's lesser cheaper players that can forefill that role, we already have one of those at the club in Keanon Bennetts.

What?! Wing-back is probably the most difficult position to fill without compromising on effectiveness and quality - one of the reason why few teams play them. It's one of the main things that makes Sessegnon so exciting as a player - his comfortability playing there. Our ability to play 2-way wing-backs along with a centre-back/def-mid transition player has been a huge part of our recent success. "A waste"?!

Twizzle · Jan 19, 2018

a lot of talking is better than no talking

gibbospurs · Jan 19, 2018

“Getting expensive” and spurs don’t happen.

guy · Jan 19, 2018

Even if we paid 50mill for this kid, in 3 years time he would easily still be worth that with inflation as it is in football

If he fulfills his potential he'll be worth 150.

The financial risk of this seems very low.

allpaths · Jan 19, 2018

Snuzzy said:
What?! Wing-back is probably the most difficult position to fill without compromising on effectiveness and quality - one of the reason why few teams play them. It's one of the main things that makes Sessegnon so exciting as a player - his comfortability playing there. Our ability to play 2-way wing-backs along with a centre-back/def-mid transition player has been a huge part of our recent success. "A waste"?!

it's only hard because you have to be a very gifted athlete with power and pace with an above average footballing ability, id even argue that Sessegnon isnt even that absurdly fast. look at the Wbs Chelsea had last year Victor Moses and Alonso, niether of them are outstanding world class footballers with the raw talent that Sessegnon has. Because you dont stick the best talents at WB/fb you play them further forward where they can do the most damage relative to their skillset.

Another example is Rose before he made the switch backwards, he was a struggling winger at championship level, it's all about getting effiecent athletes that suit the role instead of getting the best footballers for that position, if we want to be a club that is most efficient with our resources. It's why Bale moved up the pitch and why Sessegnon will also.

Johnny J · Jan 19, 2018

allpaths said:
it's only hard because you have to be a very gifted athlete with power and pace with an above average footballing ability, id even argue that Sessegnon isnt even that absurdly fast. look at the Wbs Chelsea had last year Victor Moses and Alonso, niether of them are outstanding world class footballers with the raw talent that Sessegnon has. Because you dont stick the best talents at WB/fb you play them further forward where they can do the most damage relative to their skillset.

Another example is Rose before he made the switch backwards, he was a struggling winger at championship level, it's all about getting effiecent athletes that suit the role instead of getting the best footballers for that position, if we want to be a club that is most efficient with our resources. It's why Bale moved up the pitch and why Sessegnon will also.

I'll hold up Marcelo as a counterpoint to argument about moving the "best talents" forward. He could easily play as a forward. He's one of their most skilful players, and we're talking about Real here.

allpaths · Jan 19, 2018

Johnny J said:
I'll hold up Marcelo as a counterpoint to argument about moving the "best talents" forward. He could easily play as a forward. He's one of their most skilful players, and we're talking about Real here.

agree but their also Real Madrid they can afford to invest heavily all across the pitch.

Sweech · Jan 19, 2018

gibbospurs said:
“Getting expensive” and spurs don’t happen.

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