Cravenspurs
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Yeah, I get that, but at the same time that seems to be pretty poor. I know Batman at Chelsea has supplied more than 2 on his own, Giroud is a bench threat, Jesus has to have a couple.
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Yeah, I get that, but at the same time that seems to be pretty poor. I know Batman at Chelsea has supplied more than 2 on his own, Giroud is a bench threat, Jesus has to have a couple.
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A big problem with this stat is that it presumes that substitutions are only made for attacking reasons, when in truth there are numerous reasons for a substitution being made.
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Before the arrival of Poch, these are the player's value
Kane £15m
Dele £10m
Eriksen £15m
Alderweireld £5m
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In that scenario of being a mid table club that bought that lot surely we'd be thinking wow what a quick turnaround!
were only 5 points off 4th in January and we finished top of a cl group even though we finished mid table last season and shouldn't have qualified in the first place
Amazing!
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St José Dominguez
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Not sure why it's a surprise. We literally have one trusted attacking player in the entire squad outside of the starting 11, Lamela. Poch clearly doesn't trust Llorente to do anything from bench. Sissoko has already proven how worthless he is for us. GKN wasn't trusted and shipped out. Youth players aren't trusted and Winks isn't that type of player to score or assist. We desperately need to sign two creative or goal scoring options in the summer.
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Imagine if you were a top 4 club and spent hundreds of millions on players and poch's team regularly finishes above you spending fuck all in comparison. Even being one of the most highly rated managers in the world.
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Why didn't you just say that then?
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I think the quality of our first 11 is more than a match for anyone except City - and I think even against them we match up pretty well - but the problem imho is that our squad is not as strong. Mainly because we (rightly imo) don't pay the ridiculous wages that are needed to get top quality players sitting in the bench, or at least rotating every game.
We rely very heavily on Eriksen, Alli, Son and, of course, Kane. After them there aren't many options, with Lamela only just having returned from a year out. Compare with United, who can easily leave a player like Mata out of their match squad, and who consistently have either Martial or Rashford on the bench. And now Sanchez will be starting most games. Plus Lukaku, Pogba, Lingard. And by the way, United manage to play turgid shit even with all of them.
If you go by wages, which is by far and away the biggest determining factor when it comes to the final league positions since the PL began, we have actually been punching way above our weight for several seasons now. Which is due to a combination of smart club management by Levy and great management and coaching by Poch.
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Not really satisfied fully with Pochettino this season. I thought he leaped forward and developed last season, but this season I think he has regressed a bit. I don't see the same ability to evolve and learn. I think our squad is more or less the 4th best squad in the league, and anything but 4th is underachieving. Unless finishing lower comes with a major cup trophy.
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We are not the 4th best squad mate not imo at least we are roughly about where we should be relative to our spend, we have been spoilt the last couple of years by punching above our weight whilst 1/2 of the big hitters took a year or two out to regroup.
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Of course, I was waiting for it, the famous punching above our weight look at our finances Arsenal are so rich. Speaking of Arsenal, they are richer than us, yes? But for sure we must agree that they have a weaker squad than us. So that would prove that financial resources might be a guide line, but not an absolute factor in determening squad ability.
Let's also look at Harry Kane. We are goddarn fortunate to have him. having him is despite our financial resources, because we could never have bought him. Never the less he is in our squad, yes?
So if we forget for a moment all the financial bullshit and all the self glorifying "Look have great we are doing" talk, in my view, we have the 4th best squad, despite our finances, and we should be the 4th best team. Failing to achieve that, is in my view and will be in my view nothing short of underachieving.
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Interesting post.
I think as a club we should be happy that we have found a way to perform at a level where we can finish in the top four places. Dare I say it, this is why I am a fan of Levy and ENIC. The investment in youth, training facilities and buying players within our means rather than putting our eggs into a superstar basket has allowed us to build a strong foundation.
I also believe Poch deserves great credit. He has done a lot to bring through the right characters into the firstteam squad. He was ruthless in getting rid of players he didn't think had the right mentality and he clearly has the respect of many of our star players.
But you are right that regardless of how much they cost we have a talented squad. There is little doubt in my mind that our competitors would happily have a whole host of our players in their squad. Due to this Poch is under pressure to perform and the argument that he has less to spend is not sufficient.
I think Poch's big challenge now is in the transfer market. Liverpool were badly run and wasting money for a long time. It looks like they are now getting their act together.
City have been inconsistent but I believe they will be very strong as long as Pep is there. Utd are going through the period of getting over the loss of Fergie and now trying to turnaround the period after of gross financial mismanagement. While they are clearly overspending, they are now doing it on high quality players.
We clearly have room for squad improvement and we need to find a better way to do this. Llorente, Janssen, Sissoko, N'Koudou and N'Jie have not worked out. We have less room for error than our compeititors. But this doesn't mean we can't do better than them.
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We have imo again underachieved for the best part of 30 years in many respects certainly from a silverware point of view, but the new stadium is what we are hoping will put us on a more even level with say arsenal and Liverpool.
As for Kane yes we can all agree that we are very lucky to have him because otherwise we would have no chance of affording him if he wasn't our player.
But even with Harry's loyalty to us because of his affection with the club will only stretch so far as at some point he will want to win the big prizes, whether he can do that remains to be seen and time will tell.
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We did. Son, Dele, Sanchez etc. As you said, "We can’t always get it right".
Defensively, Poch nearly always gets it right. Way out of loop with what he targets from an attacking perspective.
Rubbish!!!
Get your flipping facts right idiots! Never did I mention Ancelotti to replace him.
Oh and by the way, I'm sure you're all still lauding Poch as a genius today too huh? Must be nice to think you're right about him being a tactical and managerial genius who'll get us trophys and top 4 - especially after beating Southampton yester...... Oh Wait!!
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If we quadrupled every single players wage in the squad in the summer suddenly becoming the club with the highest wage bill in the league would we then have to adjust our expectations of the team despite having exactly the same players? Just because we pay our players less than other teams do on inferior players shouldn't mean we're punching above our weight.
We've missed Wanyama and Toby but when fit in my opinion we have the 2nd best team in the league and one not that far off City. Beyond it is the issue and something that urgently needs sorting, but to say we're punching above our weight because we underpay comparatively and have picked up some absolute bargains/had a bit of luck whilst others spend 70m+ on inferior players is nonsense in my opinion. We are below where we should be and hopefully back home next season we can correct it.
As mentioned above, you're talking rubbish! I did not say replace Poch with Ancelotti.
Do I want Poch gone? Yes.
If he went in the summer I wouldnt shed a tear, so long as he's replaced with someone better. Ancelotti is not better than Poch imho. And that cos theres many reports that have said, Ancelotti is too hands off in training and is not a very disciplined manager the last 5 years or so.
What I would like is someone ruthless like Simeone or Conte to replace Poch. Those are the names I mentioned. Not Ancelotti!!!
If Poch stays next season - which I reckon most likely he will, - then its no less than I expect from DL.He's gotten too friendly with Poch to sack him after what Poch has done so far, and thats normal, however, I feel its going to hurt us if he allows Poch to outstay his welcome if we dont win a trophy or get top 4 by the end of the first season in NWHL.
That is my preference - to give Poch 1 year after we move into NWHL to get us top 4 or a trophy or sack him if he fails to deliver.
But if Conte or Simeone were available before then I would absolutely replace Poch with either in a heartbeat without any hesitation.
The problem with you lot is that you're all too whimsical and soft. You cant bear to sack a manager who you feel has progressed your club - even if it means you will never win a trophy. If you all carry on, We will end up like the scum where getting top 4 is basically like a trophy to you lot!!! Its not!! Get you head out of your arses and realise that we'll never be Utd, City or Chelsea stature until we win the league title.
Top 4 is only a starting point. Poch got us there but he's too crap of a manager to get us a title and since you all are too sentimental and blind to it, some of us with more realism need to slap you all upside the head every few weeks to remind you how shit we still are as a club to know we'll never win a title unless we get a better manager.
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