Player watch: Josh Onomah

IGSpur · Jan 30, 2018

smallsnc said:
Ok, outing for about 18 minutes including stoppage time. Good on the ball but he did not once, even when moved out to the left, get past a good jog. Could have joined an attack at one time but just jogged up behind the play. There just seems to be either a lack of awareness defensively or him being lazy as he had a couple of times when he should have been closer to a man but was just basically within 4 yards of a teammate and was just marking space.

I think there is a good footballer in there but he does not seem, right now, to be playing with any sort of urgency or real desire.

Saw that and expected him to be getting up, it was when the player had the ball in the left wing. Then I thought they were 1 nil up away from home with 4 minutes to go, and he may have been under instruction to sit back. He didn't need to join the attack. Imagine if he busted a gut to get up there, the player lost the ball and wasn't there to cover, and they countered/ It was an unnecessary risk at that point, but that's me playing devil's advocate.

He was generally jogging though, and always said it will work against him, but I think he gets around the pitch more than it appears but can see why it invite criticism

fortworthspur · Jan 31, 2018

IGSpur said:
Lamela didn't exactly stake his claim in his first season and he had a lot more minutes but was given more opportunities thereafter, same with Sissoko. Why is an academy player with no experience expected to do more in less minutes than 2 internationals. In fact how is an academy player expected to do more, by that logic he would be an international level player. How do you bring someone through if you're expecting more from them than you are internationals.?.

Id say because Lamela and Sissoko both had established themselves at the top tier already.

IfiHadTheWings · Jan 31, 2018

IGSpur said:
Lamela didn't exactly stake his claim in his first season and he had a lot more minutes but was given more opportunities thereafter, same with Sissoko. Why is an academy player with no experience expected to do more in less minutes than 2 internationals. In fact how is an academy player expected to do more, by that logic he would be an international level player. How do you bring someone through if you're expecting more from them than you are internationals.?

I was going to quote an article about Malcom and post in the youth forum but the managers says, he played in a Corinthians u17 match v their u20s and looked good. He then performed well in the big youth South American tournament and at the conclusion the manager decided he was going to put him straight into the first team and start playing him. Straight from youth football into the first team, as they saw how good he was. You can judge ability based on eye. But what do Brazil know about producing and developing talent.

I'm sure someone will comment about the strength of the league, but it really doesn't matter when we're talking about the potential ability of players coming through. You surely find a way to develop them rather than just making excuses.

In England we can win every international competition under the sun, and the PL managers will blame all the players for not being good enough and the fans will agree and think nothing of it.

I'm not necessarily saying that the managers are right in their approach but I think we can all understand the nature of the premier league in that managers live and die (very quickly) by their decisions, and I definitely think that playing a signing is a lot less risk than playing an 'unknown' from the academy, and at the end of the day a managers career/reputation on the line it is understandable that they would be a hesitant...wouldn't you? now I'm not saying this is right and to be honest it is costly considering there is definitely players in the academy of the standard/better than the likes of Sissoko etc but unfortunately that is the nature of the beast.

We can all look and say but what about Spain, Germany and France but none of those leagues are reaping in the TV money like England so I doubt there is a much pressure on the managers literally 1 place higher in the premier league is near enough worth millions. What I'm saying there is a lot of pressure/risk that lay at the managers door and generally I think we will not see mass integration unless there is injuries or exceptional circumstances and for that I don't think we can just blame the manager for lack of integration I think its a number of factors and the nature of the Premier league.

Just my tuppence.

DJS · Jan 31, 2018

Hercules said:
Sounds about right from what I know. He still hangs with his Kingsmead School buddies. Loads of interest in him from top EPL clubs, and German. I know who they are, but won’t name. McDermott is a massive fan of his, and miles ahead of Winks. They are buddies. Best I say no more.

Onomah went to same school as me lol!

DJS · Jan 31, 2018

paulcumpstone said:
Looked very tidy on the ball and used it well but considering he was fresh he really didnt show any urgency off the ball.looked very uninterested tbh

Don’t blame him really if managers continue pissing about and playing him out of position.

Very frustrating he isn’t getting played in proper midfield role.

buckley · Jan 31, 2018

having someone in your team who is a buddy can cloud your choices and from what I have seen winks was up and running from day one and in the premior league so much so that he is already an international whereas onomah has shown nothing in the premior league and from what I have seen less than nothing in the championship obviously my opinion only

bat-chain · Jan 31, 2018

Thought he did a good job last night, his 15 mins had a bit of everything, particularly liked his tackling and interceptions. He can do it all no question about that.

beats1 · Jan 31, 2018

buckley said:
having someone in your team who is a buddy can cloud your choices and from what I have seen winks was up and running from day one and in the premior league so much so that he is already an international whereas onomah has shown nothing in the premior league and from what I have seen less than nothing in the championship obviously my opinion only

Funny the exact same thing was said of Kane, his career is starting to mimic Kanes except that he didnt get the same amount of opportunities

Locotoro · Jan 31, 2018

beats1 said:
Funny the exact same thing was said of Kane, his career is starting to mimic Kanes except that he didnt get the same amount of opportunities

who was kane's buddy?

allpaths · Feb 6, 2018

To me Josh is very similar to Pogba and Dembele in style.

Pogba is an extremely gifted attack minded CM who needs to be more clinically in his scoring record to justify the gaps he leaves in midfield. These are Josh's main weaknesses as well and if he doesnt fix them, I doubt that Poch well ever give him a chance.

Dembele another extremely gifted CM who knows his role and executes it wonderfully. Being able to transition possession from back to front, while providing protection and gap control in midfield. He plays for the team not for himself. Josh shares Dembele ability to protect and transition possession at a high level, he just needs to pick up his positional play and off the ball habits.

Atm Josh plays sort of a mixture between the two, which offensively is fine. But he hasnt figuired out the importance of gap control and of tracking back with the same effort of the player he's marking. It's something that can be trained into the lad and the kid has so much natural talent it'll be a shame if he doesnt get a fair shot in centermidfield.

mill · Feb 6, 2018

buckley said:
having someone in your team who is a buddy can cloud your choices and from what I have seen winks was up and running from day one and in the premior league so much so that he is already an international whereas onomah has shown nothing in the premior league and from what I have seen less than nothing in the championship obviously my opinion only

Winks was playing in cm from day one, Onomah hasn’t been afforded that opportunity

Wheeler Dealer · Feb 6, 2018

mill said:
Winks was playing in cm from day one, Onomah hasn’t been afforded that opportunity

Whys that?

mill · Feb 6, 2018

Wheeler Dealer said:
Whys that?

You’ll have to ask poch

jezz · Feb 6, 2018

mill said:
You’ll have to ask poch

Maybe because Poch sees him everyday in training?
Josh looks great with the ball but lazy without it.
I think that's the issue Josh needs to address.

allpaths · Feb 6, 2018

Wheeler Dealer said:
Whys that?

just a geuss, but I'd say his off the ball work rate isnt high enough, he doesnt track runners well enough and his postioning leaves too many gaps between him and the deeper lying defensive midfielder, that oppostions can exploit. Just like we did against Pogba and United Wednesday.

double0 · Feb 6, 2018

I might be miss guided and it won't be the first time I really do see a special player in Onomah. There's no logical proof to hand just my instinctive assessment on how he plays the game believe it or not I thought the same about Harry Kane but to level that off I also thought Bentaleb was special too.

Dazzazzad · Feb 6, 2018

double0 said:
I might be miss guided and it won't be the first time I really do see a special player in Onomah

Interesting. What's his name?

smallsnc · Feb 6, 2018

mill said:
Winks was playing in cm from day one, Onomah hasn’t been afforded that opportunity

IMO, Winks works harder off the ball than Josh and thus earned the playing time at CM. Poch is not going to give Onomah playing time in CM, he is going to have to earn it.

C0YS · Feb 6, 2018

SlumDilla said:
But he isn't going to improve as CM if he never plays as a CM. He's being played as a AM & CF, he then struggles to impact the game from those positions and then coaches and fans use those same performances as justification for why he's not mature enough to play as a CM. Which in turn starts to erode at his confidence because he's being played out of position and not given the chance to thrive in as a CM and make mistakes as a CM.

Is he given the chance to play that role in training? Because what happens in training is way more important in terms of improving than playing games. Sure playing games is important but training is where you really develop your game.

allpaths · Feb 6, 2018

Ironic thing about Josh is if he didnt go out on loan this season he would have probably got a handful of starts in his prefered position with all the injuries we've had. Luck plays such a big role in a kids breakthrough at this level and Josh seems to have none of it.

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