rossdapep
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But that's not players under 21 though? I'm trying to refer to what Chelsea and city do, but the young prospects loan them to girona or vitesse etc
Financial Fairplay 2.0
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rossdapep
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Probably
tiger666
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Most of Chelsea's players on loan are 21 or older
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-chelsea/leihspieler/verein/631
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something has got to be tried, or else the game will die.
I am quite interested in the no more than 25 players aged over 21. I wonder if anyone has counted how many players are owned by Chelsea in particular. In my mind it opens up all kinds of potential for corruption. They are influencing the supply of players and how they move through the market in a way which is not open to other clubs who are, you know, run on normal financial rules.
Eventually, things will have to get a lot more radical. Take a lead from US sports. This won't be popular, but some measures will be needed to make competitions more open, and give some hope of winning to more clubs. Maybe some measures where the rules are relaxed for smaller clubs in some kind of way. Don't know how because draft picks of young players I can't see happening, too complicated for European football. Maybe if the super rich clubs spend over a certain amount on wages, a proportion of that is "taxed" and recycled to the other clubs
I am quite interested in the no more than 25 players aged over 21. I wonder if anyone has counted how many players are owned by Chelsea in particular. In my mind it opens up all kinds of potential for corruption. They are influencing the supply of players and how they move through the market in a way which is not open to other clubs who are, you know, run on normal financial rules.
Eventually, things will have to get a lot more radical. Take a lead from US sports. This won't be popular, but some measures will be needed to make competitions more open, and give some hope of winning to more clubs. Maybe some measures where the rules are relaxed for smaller clubs in some kind of way. Don't know how because draft picks of young players I can't see happening, too complicated for European football. Maybe if the super rich clubs spend over a certain amount on wages, a proportion of that is "taxed" and recycled to the other clubs
Lilbaz
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At least they are getting game time and a quality coaching programme. When they hit 21 chelsea then have to decide whether to keep them or sell them.
There are rules already in the uk that players agents can't recieve a fee for a player under 18 and at 18 the club dismisses them or offers them a professional contract (something like that).Players under 16 are also limited to where they can go.
This will make it more difficult for chelsea to hoard players and even if they do there will be mass sales of 21 year olds every season.
Will be really interesting to see how it pans out but think this will help smaller clubs.
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If they go down the EU route, it’s unlikely any legislation would be enacted before BREXIT therefore the Premier League and the SPL(as if it mattered) will be uneffected
Lilbaz
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Chelsea and city have dips in form. Their answer has usually been to sack the manager then bring in someone new and give them hundreds of £millions to spend to get them back on top again. They will no longer be able to do that or at least their ability will be limited.
They have become massive clubs that probably wont fade away but we've seen with thlikes of blackburn that nothing lasts for ever. The squad will get old and need replacing.
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If penalties are financial, maybe they should be means tested or proportional to whatever discretion has occurred. That might send a few shockwaves out.
rossdapep
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True, I wasn't looking at it from that angle but you're absolutely right.
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I’ve always felt that financial penalties in an industry so awash with money are pointless. The only way you’d make clubs think twice is by giving them punishments that hurt them. Transfer embargoes, points deductions, expulsion from European competition.
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UEFA is based in Switzerland so can tell the EU politely but firmly to fuck off
UEFA, the EU, the PL and the FA need to come together on this. Sadly, the FA and PL wont do anything because it renders City, Utd and Chelsea all fucked.
The punishment from UEFA needs to be severe, unable to be appealed to higher courts. On first offense, the punishment has to be European competition ban + heavy fine that can be lifted after 1 season if UEFA deems it to be in the process of being resolved. If it doesnt, it remains in effect with incoming transfer ban added, and they continue adding on if the club isnt in process of resolving. Second offense should be 3 season European ban with 3 season transfer ban with even more fines reviewed after 2 seasons. Third offense, 5 season European ban with 5 season transfer ban reviewable after 4 seasons. Will clubs try engaging with others to create the long rumored super league with Stillitano? Sure, but if they do, then UEFA should force the nation FA's to agree to kick those clubs out of the league competitions and media should be heavily dissuaded from broadcasting and covering said super league. The power the big clubs have needs to end. Competitive balance needs to happen. This would do it.
The punishment from UEFA needs to be severe, unable to be appealed to higher courts. On first offense, the punishment has to be European competition ban + heavy fine that can be lifted after 1 season if UEFA deems it to be in the process of being resolved. If it doesnt, it remains in effect with incoming transfer ban added, and they continue adding on if the club isnt in process of resolving. Second offense should be 3 season European ban with 3 season transfer ban with even more fines reviewed after 2 seasons. Third offense, 5 season European ban with 5 season transfer ban reviewable after 4 seasons. Will clubs try engaging with others to create the long rumored super league with Stillitano? Sure, but if they do, then UEFA should force the nation FA's to agree to kick those clubs out of the league competitions and media should be heavily dissuaded from broadcasting and covering said super league. The power the big clubs have needs to end. Competitive balance needs to happen. This would do it.
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As far as I'm aware, there is no correlation between the EU and UEFA so while that may be true if it takes the form of actual EU-legislation, if it's just a change in UEFA competition rules then it's irrelevant whether you're in the EU or not. There are plenty of non-EU countries whose football teams play in UEFA competition.
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'O Zio
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I agree but you've got a case where it'd be asking turkeys to vote for Christmas at the end of the day. As much as we might not like it, the more "super-clubs" there are in the PL the better it is for the people in charge of it all because the more "stars" there are etc. the more they can get for the TV rights deal. I'm pretty sure you'd need those people to vote on the kind of punishments ytou're talking about and I just don't see why they would agree to it.
