Ex-Player Watch Player Watch: Mousa Dembele

lol · Feb 7, 2018

Shadydan said:
How many box to box mids can beat players and dribble round them like they're cones from a standing start? He's unique in a way that he doesn't stand out as a typical CM would however he has his own traits which are unique that not many top CM's have so the trade off with not being able to thread a defense splitting pass is being able to float pass players as if they're not there. Maybe he shouldn't been compared to other players as a top CM, maybe we just need to realise that he's playing for a top side in Europe and is still recognises as many as one of the best midfielders in the league, that should tell you enough.

He is definitely unique, but to me the most important thing about a player is that are you playing your role well. he's really good at dribbling but if he doesnt release the ball quick enough to surge the attack forward, i rather have someone that doesnt dribble, yet is able to surge to ball forward quicker with a pass. we have to remember what is the reason for dribbling. is it purely to beat a man so we can enjoy the beauty of beating a man? or is it to push the ball forward so we get an extra person in attack before the opponent gets back into position? alot of the times dembele dribbles too much, to the point where that golden passing opportunity slips away.

its the same as if i have a centreback. if his primary job is to defend, then his ability to dribble or shoot is only a bonus. if he cant defend but can attack well, then his attacking prowess better be so damn good where i can see past that flaw.

as of now dembele to me is a good player. he can defend quite well, dribble quite well, pass quite well, but i dont see the attribute that makes him a top class player. hes like a swiss army knife that does kinda everything, just that in my opinion, he's not a top tier swiss army knife.

the argument of dembele can defend better than most cm except dm, he can push the team forward better than most cm except attacking cm, can pass better than more cm except playmakers, is exactly the same as, dembele cant defend as well as a dm, cant dribble as well as an attacking cm, cant pass better than a playmaker. theres 2 side to each argument.

to me a top class player needs a very distinct attribute that makes them irreplaceable in their role, eg pirlo's passing, rudd.v's positioning/finishing. if he doesnt have a 10/10 quality somewhere then he better be 8/10 at everything in order to be a top class swiss army knife. to me dembele is a 9/10 at dribbling, but 7 at everything else. please remember i like demble alot as a player, except i dont think he's top class, and we need someone thats better than him if we want to win the title.

he in my opinion is not someone who can take us there. an absolutely amazing option off the bench though

Griff001 · Feb 7, 2018

lol said:
He is definitely unique, but to me the most important thing about a player is that are you playing your role well. he's really good at dribbling but if he doesnt release the ball quick enough to surge the attack forward, i rather have someone that doesnt dribble, yet is able to surge to ball forward quicker with a pass. we have to remember what is the reason for dribbling. is it purely to beat a man so we can enjoy the beauty of beating a man? or is it to push the ball forward so we get an extra person in attack before the opponent gets back into position? alot of the times dembele dribbles too much, to the point where that golden passing opportunity slips away.

its the same as if i have a centreback. if his primary job is to defend, then his ability to dribble or shoot is only a bonus. if he cant defend but can attack well, then his attacking prowess better be so damn good where i can see past that flaw.

as of now dembele to me is a good player. he can defend quite well, dribble quite well, pass quite well, but i dont see the attribute that makes him a top class player. hes like a swiss army knife that does kinda everything, just that in my opinion, he's not a top tier swiss army knife.

the argument of dembele can defend better than most cm except dm, he can push the team forward better than most cm except attacking cm, can pass better than more cm except playmakers, is exactly the same as, dembele cant defend as well as a dm, cant dribble as well as an attacking cm, cant pass better than a playmaker. theres 2 side to each argument.

to me a top class player needs a very distinct attribute that makes them irreplaceable in their role, eg pirlo's passing, rudd.v's positioning/finishing. if he doesnt have a 10/10 quality somewhere then he better be 8/10 at everything in order to be a top class swiss army knife. to me dembele is a 9/10 at dribbling, but 7 at everything else. please remember i like demble alot as a player, except i dont think he's top class, and we need someone thats better than him if we want to win the title.

he in my opinion is not someone who can take us there. an absolutely amazing option off the bench though

I'm sorry, but when Dembele is on form and playing well, a lot of what you have said is quite cliche and not actually particularly true, in my opinion.

Liverpool game for instance, he was playing through balls through to the front men nice and early, and did it 6 or 7 times very effectively. I take your point that he hasn't done it throughout his career, but when you look at his INSANE natural dribbling ability, his strength and tactical awareness, and combine it with passing ability, he becomes a top class player.

He is after all, our best central midfielder, by quite a way (imo), and would you not say we are a top class side?

His dribbling is absolutely 10/10 btw. I can't be bothered to find them, but there's been stats in the past that say his dribbling stats are in the top 3 or so in Europe, and that's up against tricky little wingers, not a big hulk of a man. You can't get much better than Dembele when it comes to going past players...

tooey · Feb 7, 2018

The "Dembele doesn't release the ball quick enough" line irks me. This could be levelled at many of our players. A boring cliché that people roll out without reason, mostly.

When fit and firing he's somewhere in the realm of world class, but that's also the issue, he's rarely fit and firing, if we get rid then it isn't down to ability, it's down to fitness.

Shadydan · Feb 7, 2018

lol said:
He is definitely unique, but to me the most important thing about a player is that are you playing your role well. he's really good at dribbling but if he doesnt release the ball quick enough to surge the attack forward, i rather have someone that doesnt dribble, yet is able to surge to ball forward quicker with a pass. we have to remember what is the reason for dribbling. is it purely to beat a man so we can enjoy the beauty of beating a man? or is it to push the ball forward so we get an extra person in attack before the opponent gets back into position? alot of the times dembele dribbles too much, to the point where that golden passing opportunity slips away.

its the same as if i have a centreback. if his primary job is to defend, then his ability to dribble or shoot is only a bonus. if he cant defend but can attack well, then his attacking prowess better be so damn good where i can see past that flaw.

as of now dembele to me is a good player. he can defend quite well, dribble quite well, pass quite well, but i dont see the attribute that makes him a top class player. hes like a swiss army knife that does kinda everything, just that in my opinion, he's not a top tier swiss army knife.

the argument of dembele can defend better than most cm except dm, he can push the team forward better than most cm except attacking cm, can pass better than more cm except playmakers, is exactly the same as, dembele cant defend as well as a dm, cant dribble as well as an attacking cm, cant pass better than a playmaker. theres 2 side to each argument.

to me a top class player needs a very distinct attribute that makes them irreplaceable in their role, eg pirlo's passing, rudd.v's positioning/finishing. if he doesnt have a 10/10 quality somewhere then he better be 8/10 at everything in order to be a top class swiss army knife. to me dembele is a 9/10 at dribbling, but 7 at everything else. please remember i like demble alot as a player, except i dont think he's top class, and we need someone thats better than him if we want to win the title.

he in my opinion is not someone who can take us there. an absolutely amazing option off the bench though

Fair enough but what you're asking for a world class player like Modric who is out of our price range and we'd struggle to obtain a player like that regardless.

Don't think we're gonna agree on this so let's just leave it there

dontsalebale · Feb 7, 2018

lol said:
He is definitely unique, but to me the most important thing about a player is that are you playing your role well. he's really good at dribbling but if he doesnt release the ball quick enough to surge the attack forward, i rather have someone that doesnt dribble, yet is able to surge to ball forward quicker with a pass. we have to remember what is the reason for dribbling. is it purely to beat a man so we can enjoy the beauty of beating a man? or is it to push the ball forward so we get an extra person in attack before the opponent gets back into position? alot of the times dembele dribbles too much, to the point where that golden passing opportunity slips away.

its the same as if i have a centreback. if his primary job is to defend, then his ability to dribble or shoot is only a bonus. if he cant defend but can attack well, then his attacking prowess better be so damn good where i can see past that flaw.

as of now dembele to me is a good player. he can defend quite well, dribble quite well, pass quite well, but i dont see the attribute that makes him a top class player. hes like a swiss army knife that does kinda everything, just that in my opinion, he's not a top tier swiss army knife.

the argument of dembele can defend better than most cm except dm, he can push the team forward better than most cm except attacking cm, can pass better than more cm except playmakers, is exactly the same as, dembele cant defend as well as a dm, cant dribble as well as an attacking cm, cant pass better than a playmaker. theres 2 side to each argument.

to me a top class player needs a very distinct attribute that makes them irreplaceable in their role, eg pirlo's passing, rudd.v's positioning/finishing. if he doesnt have a 10/10 quality somewhere then he better be 8/10 at everything in order to be a top class swiss army knife. to me dembele is a 9/10 at dribbling, but 7 at everything else. please remember i like demble alot as a player, except i dont think he's top class, and we need someone thats better than him if we want to win the title.

he in my opinion is not someone who can take us there. an absolutely amazing option off the bench though

Things are a little more nuanced than the simplistic way you have tried to score him in the category's you have set out. His dribbling ability means that opponents are wary of approaching him head on which opens up space for him and his teammates. His strength likewise deters them which has the same effect but also means he is also able to hold on to the ball in tight spaces and gives his teammates the confidence to make runs. His strength also contributes as a deterrent for opponents to dribble around him hence his very good defensive ability. All this results in us spending more time further up the field because of his ability to retain procession. You need to look at a players attributes and the net result it has on the team not try and squeeze him in to preconceived category's.

Nine while nine · Feb 10, 2018

Mouse! · Feb 10, 2018

The calls to replace Dembele are premature. He was astonishingly good today and really is one of the best midfielders in the world when injury free. Wonderful player.

JAYSTAR · Feb 10, 2018

Absolutely class player. Anyone who has decided he is 'past it' needs to humble themselves and admit they were talking complete nonsense. Dembele has just bossed United and now Arsenal's midfield. He deserves more respect than he gets from quite a few of our deluded fans.

BigVic · Feb 10, 2018

Whoever said he was finished. Hang your head in shame.

Speedy · Feb 10, 2018

What a maestro he is. Absolutely wonderful to watch today, faster, smarter than anyone

Diarmuid · Feb 10, 2018

He has amazing strength.. what a man.

Shadydan · Feb 10, 2018

Old dog they said...old dog.

lol · Feb 10, 2018

dembele was immense today. kept the ball well and pushed forward. totally bossed arsenal's midfield with dier

Everlasting Seconds · Feb 10, 2018

Listen, no need to point fingers. EVERYBODY knows Dembele's ability. Nobody questions that. The question is the long term stability of his fitness level. Even if, or maybe especially because, he is so immense now, it would be folly not to think about his successor, and sort it out this summer so maybe there can be a succession period.

dontsalebale · Feb 10, 2018

Everlasting Seconds said:
Listen, no need to point fingers. EVERYBODY knows Dembele's ability. Nobody questions that. The question is the long term stability of his fitness level. Even if, or maybe especially because, he is so immense now, it would be folly not to think about his successor, and sort it out this summer so maybe there can be a succession period.

You shouldn't be defending your own pride. Just celebrate the MOOOOOOOOOSA. Fear the MOOOOOOOSA

Everlasting Seconds · Feb 10, 2018

dontsalebale said:
You shouldn't be defending your own pride. Just celebrate the MOOOOOOOOOSA. Fear the MOOOOOOOSA

Fudge off my pride. People in general shouldn't pint fingers, just celebrate the MOOOOSA.

littlemandefoe · Feb 10, 2018

He was world class today. He is so strong and just glides past players, an unbelievable player.

dontsalebale · Feb 10, 2018

Everlasting Seconds said:
Fudge off my pride. People in general shouldn't pint fingers, just celebrate the MOOOOSA.

Now is not a time to be bitter. The Arsenal have been shredded by the MOOOOOOOOOSA. Get on Arsenal TV feel their pain

Woodyy · Feb 10, 2018

Can he play Tuesday do we think?

Everlasting Seconds · Feb 10, 2018

dontsalebale said:
Now is not a time to be bitter. The Arsenal have been shredded by the MOOOOOOOOOSA. Get on Arsenal TV feel their pain

Exactly. So stop inventing that plenty of fans are saying he is lacking in ability. He clearly isn't, and nobody thinks so about MOOOOSA.

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