When will the fans' mentalities change?

SugarRay · Apr 23, 2017

Mentality of fans? Behave

That changes once multiple trophies appear. Then the mentality goes from hopeful to expectant

Basically people turn in to the sort of ****s that follow United, Arsenal, Liverpool or Chelsea

Fans winning mentality? What a load of bollocks!!

guiltyparty · Apr 23, 2017

SugarRay said:
Mentality of fans? Behave

That changes once multiple trophies appear. Then the mentality goes from hopeful to expectant

Basically people turn in to the sort of ****s that follow United, Arsenal, Liverpool or Chelsea

Fans winning mentality? What a load of bollocks!!

I think we fast forwarded to expectant without winning the multiple trophies, is the thing...

SugarRay · Apr 23, 2017

guiltyparty said:
I think we fast forwarded to expectant without winning the multiple trophies, is the thing...

Absolutely! We've won 2 trophies in 26 years. Granted we won loads of stuff years ago, but the modern fans never experienced this. Guess it's a reflection of society in a way. Everyone wants instant success, materials etc without putting the hard yards in

Imagine how much sweeter that silverware will feel after all these near misses!

guiltyparty · Apr 23, 2017

SugarRay said:
Absolutely! We've won 2 trophies in 26 years. Granted we won loads of stuff years ago, but the modern fans never experienced this. Guess it's a reflection of society in a way. Everyone wants instant success, materials etc without putting the hard yards in

Imagine how much sweeter that silverware will feel after all these near misses!

It is. The entitlement of modern society is affecting all aspects of life really. Football, TV, internet, taxis.

That said, that's not my issue really. I'm still incredibly worried this team is going to be split up before we win anything and that will be a travesty

It's not a "where's my cup?!" thing. It's a "where's their cup?!" thing. My first love was the 86/87 team, a side lost in time due to winning nothing

SugarRay · Apr 23, 2017

guiltyparty said:
If is. The entitlement of modern society is affecting all aspects really.

That said, that's not my issue really. I'm still incredibly worried this team is going to be split up before we win anything and that will be a travesty

It would but the new stadium and all that jazz should mean we stand a much better chance of building very good sides on a regular basis.

Regular champs league should keep the squad happy enough for another season or two.

topper · Apr 23, 2017

SpartanSpur said:
We made mistakes but however you want to frame it from a pure footballing standpoint we looked the more impressive outfit. Dominated possession but in a progressive and inventive way, not possession for possessions sake. Scored two top class goals. Chelsea's gameplan was to soak up pressure, but no way did they plan on extended spells of not being able to get out of their defensive third, often hitting aimless clearances. Sadly this good play didn't quite translate to clear cut chances on this occasion, they defended well, but for large spells they offered zero threat, they being the champions elect.

In hindsight their plan worked a treat, but had we won 3-2, they would have been hammered by the same pundits lauding them (whereas even in defeat a lot of pundits were impressed by us). That is what people were getting at by saying we were the better team. Hindsight is after all 20/20.

The crux was we cost ourselves with naive mistakes. Chelsea in the end deserved to win because they punished said mistakes and weathered our storm, then their expensive squad depth told. In terms of this years FA Cup being the 'better side' means little but going forward is key. Now the mentality comes down to if you see these mistakes as 'same old spurs' or simply something we can learn from and improve on.[/QUOTE

Chelsea won due to Hazard coming on, at that stage only one team was going to win and that was us. Chelsea are simply West Brom with a sprinkling of stardust

guiltyparty · Apr 23, 2017

SugarRay said:
It would but the new stadium and all that jazz should mean we stand a much better chance of building very good sides on a regular basis.

Regular champs league should keep the squad happy enough for another season or two.

On the flipside:

- New stadium equals big costs, and will mean selling players. Arsenal regularly sold their best players to finance theirs and ours is a lot more expensive due to time and Brexit. The irony is we get called a selling team but we don't know the half of it - over the last 10 years Arsenal have sold more than twice the key players we have. Be interesting to see if Poch can manage that churn and maintaining competiveness as well as Wenger

- While building it we play at a ground we're lousy at and therefore inevitably underperform, resulting in a high chance of us missing out on top 4 (with this season marking the first time we've ever got back to back qualification, seems fair)

- We have individual players too good, and in the odd case too old, for another underwhelming champions league campaign like this year's to sate them. In the case of Hugo/Toby/Jan this is likely be sooner than others.

(Particularly the first two - Hugo only has the French cup on his CV and must be desperate for more, while Toby is going through his most barren spell in his career having won 4 league titles in 2 different countries and got to a CL final before coming to England. Why I wouldn't be at all surprised if he didn't sign a contract that took him past 31)

I think we'll get another season out of them. We may sell one player this summer to help along the build. Next summer is the real crunch time for everything, presuming the move still goes ahead on schedule, so ideally we'd win something - and to do so our player investment needs to be cleverer than ever.

DIEHARD · Apr 23, 2017

We definitely need to win something by next year in my view. Watching Sunday supplement they seem to share the same view as us fans which is that we need to get over that hurdle of winning something then that will spur us on to bigger and better things. Our mentalities will subsequently change although I'll be honest I do read that red cafe thread and there are some fucking cringe worthy posts from our fans as well as theirs but it seems that sometimes winning will bring about arrogance and that ****ish persons.

The question is how do we get over that hurdle, do we actually have any winners in the team who could help the others, I don't think we do. I would love us to get someone in who has won the lot for the others to learn from.

We didn't lose yesterday against a team who are better, but we lose against a team who are definitely better at winning games than we do.

Deleted member 27995 · Apr 23, 2017

Where's Edgar Davids when you need him?! :ROFLMAO:

nailsy · Apr 23, 2017

TaoistMonkey said:
If I hear another person say we choked I'm gonna go fucking mad

A team that chokes doesn't even turn up. We fought back twice, were the better side for most of the game, but got sucker punched. We definitely didn't choke.

DIEHARD said:
We definitely need to win something by next year in my view. Watching Sunday supplement they seem to share the same view as us fans which is that we need to get over that hurdle of winning something then that will spur us on to bigger and better things. Our mentalities will subsequently change although I'll be honest I do read that red cafe thread and there are some fucking cringe worthy posts from our fans as well as theirs but it seems that sometimes winning will bring about arrogance and that ****ish persons.

The question is how do we get over that hurdle, do we actually have any winners in the team who could help the others, I don't think we do. I would love us to get someone in who has won the lot for the others to learn from.

We didn't lose yesterday against a team who are better, but we lose against a team who are definitely better at winning games than we do.

To be fair a lot of our players have won league titles in other countries, but I know what you mean. An experienced player with that bit of extra knowledge could make a lot of difference.

SpursDave88 · Apr 23, 2017

nailsy said:
A team that chokes doesn't even turn up. We fought back twice, were the better side for most of the game, but got sucker punched. We definitely didn't choke.

To be fair a lot of our players have won league titles in other countries, but I know what you mean. An experienced player with that bit of extra knowledge could make a lot of difference.

We were defeated by self inflicted wounds though...so I think it depends on how you define choking.

Also I don't think it's as simple as buying an experienced player. As you rightly point out, a number of our players have won things in other countries...Sunderland have a PL winner in their side and yet will most likely be relegated.

The team and club needs to go up one more notch in terms of culture and mentality. To get over the line and actually win something and belief they will continue to win things going forward. If they do then they will.

archiewasking · Apr 23, 2017

nailsy said:
A team that chokes doesn't even turn up. We fought back twice, were the better side for most of the game, but got sucker punched. We definitely didn't choke.

To be fair a lot of our players have won league titles in other countries, but I know what you mean. An experienced player with that bit of extra knowledge could make a lot of difference.

I hear John Terry's available......... :whistle:

stevenurse · Apr 23, 2017

I don't know how much longer I can stand this narrative about mentality.

We made slight errors and got punished by a team likely to do the double. With infinite resources and the difference wasn't their winning mentality, it was the quality they had coming off the bench. 1 to 11 we match anyone in the league, beyond that we struggle against the top sides. How often have you looked at our bench and thought we had a real game changer?

guiltyparty · Apr 23, 2017

nailsy said:
To be fair a lot of our players have won league titles in other countries, but I know what you mean. An experienced player with that bit of extra knowledge could make a lot of difference.

Toby, Jan, Moussa, Vic and Christian have won league titles in other countries

Arguably Toby is the only one who's won a title in a top tier league tho

DIEHARD · Apr 23, 2017

nailsy said:
A team that chokes doesn't even turn up. We fought back twice, were the better side for most of the game, but got sucker punched. We definitely didn't choke.

To be fair a lot of our players have won league titles in other countries, but I know what you mean. An experienced player with that bit of extra knowledge could make a lot of difference.

guiltyparty said:
Toby, Jan, Moussa, Vic and Christian have won league titles in other countries

Arguably Toby is the only one who's won a title in a top tier league tho

They've won things but it's a personality thing that I'm aiming for. I'm thinking of someone like Roy Keane for example, you know the kind who won't take shit, the guy who won't accept second, the one who will take charge and one who just purely hates fucking losing.

It's a combination of winners mentality, a no lose attitude and perhaps a leader type personality,

Bobbins · Apr 23, 2017

guiltyparty said:
Personally, this team had me - after years of negativity, I so thought we'd win that game yesterday. Inside, where it matters, I thought it was ours. Not the double, but the cup. It was our time. I had faith. You're right, that's a big shift.

Ah, see this was me last season. I genuinely thought, for the first time in my life, we might actually do it. I got sucked in.

Then we lost to West Ham, and subsequently lost half our games on the run in and got destroyed by an already relegated Newcastle when only needing a point to break a 20 year hoodoo.

That pretty much broke me in terms of ever letting my guard down with this club again. A heavy dose of pessimism now feels like the only healthy way to support the club...

Classof17 · Apr 26, 2017

I work extra hard to get a steam when we are going to play a side outside the top 6 because my mentality changes with the team. I'm getting used to a few 4 ones and 4 Nils and more probability of a victory

Shadydan · Feb 11, 2018

Oi oi

Sid Tottenham · Feb 11, 2018

Never
Pretty sure there were fans moaning in 60-61 before my time but I’m guessing there was a few
I remember going spurs Bristol rovers in the old 2nd division we were 3-0 up at half time as a young boy I was pretty happy thinking the game was won I was with my uncle and he was like hold up son there’s another half to go he was kind of pessimistic
We won 9 nil I still give him stick now bless him

SirNiNyHotspur · Feb 11, 2018

Sid Tottenham said:
Never
Pretty sure there were fans moaning in 60-61 before my time but I’m guessing there was a few
I remember going spurs Bristol rovers in the old 2nd division we were 3-0 up at half time as a young boy I was pretty happy thinking the game was won I was with my uncle and he was like hold up son there’s another half to go he was kind of pessimistic
We won 9 nil I still give him stick now bless him

Probably only started to relax at 8 too, proper spurs ;-)

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