Team v Juventus

Giovanni · Feb 11, 2018

I dont think 3 at the back will benefit us going forward. Alli hasnt been as effective and you just know they will be all over kane like a rash. I think we will get swamped in midfield and pinned back. Go 4 at the back and frighten them abit with a press. We need somebody who can make that defense splitting pass or take on an opponent in final 3rd hence opting for 4 at the back and lamela/son.
I really cannot see winks starting guys.

So after much deliberation ive altered my previous team

--------------------Hugo-----------------
Aurier----Toby---Jan-----Davies
--------Wanyama--Dembele-----
------Alli----------Eriksen----Son---
-----------------KANE--------------------

Tough call to not include lamela but opted to leave out due to being worried for him getting targeted fir a red card.

Changed my mind on lb as davies is rightly no1 and is in fantastic form. His defensive discipline will be needed.

Wanyama for his extra mobility and because he is better at ball winning imo. They will look to control possesion in the middle so we will need our best/strongest cm pairing.
Son has to play as the defence is pretty static and slow. His trickery will be a huge nightmare for them so we need to look to get him the ball early and isolate him 1v1 with them. He also draws more wiggle room for kane and eriksen to work there magic.
I watch italian football quite abit and let me just say....you can not go toe to toe with juve playing there type of game and win. No way. U match them up with 3 at the back going all defensive will just play into there hands and get you beat. You have to bring something to the table that will contrast what the know best. First leg is crucial not to lose BUT not by being defensive but instead through attacking them.

leelee · Feb 11, 2018

Lloris
Serge Toby Jan Davies
Dier Wanyama
Son Eriksen
Kane Llorente

Vorm Tripps Dembele Lamela Alli

thinktank · Feb 11, 2018

Trix said:
Only the formation and team selection.

Oh.

thinktank · Feb 11, 2018

@Trix

What formation would you like to see; what team selection?

What tactics would you like to see us employ?

glospur · Feb 11, 2018

It's already been noted, but Juve have only conceded one goal in their last 16 matches in all comps. This is the best defensive team that Kane, Dele, Eriksen and co have faced since Pochettino's been at the club. I'd bite anyone's hand off right now for a draw, but a narrow loss where we score wouldn't necessarily be the worst result either. I'd be confident if we took a narrow deficit with an away goal back to Wembley.

Personally, I'd go with 3 CBs due to the aerial threat of Mandzukic from wide. he will annihilate Trippier especially, but also Aurier, in the air if we go with 4 imo. For me:

Lloris
Dier - Alderweireld - Vertonghen
Aurier - Wanyama - Dembele - Davies
Eriksen - Kane - Dele

Vorm - Sanchez - Trippier - Winks - Lamela - Lucas - Son

Wanyama in to give us a bit of freshness and combativeness in midfield which I think we will need to match it with the likes of Marchisio and Khedira.

Sanchez is unlucky, but someone has to make way for Wanyama and he has been in poorer form than Dier of late. Also, Dier is obviously much more comfortable playing out from the back which I would prefer in a big game away from home. Sanchez was horrendous in this respect at Anfield and even Arsenal and United let him have the ball because can give it away with poor decision making on occasion when under little pressure. Juve don't pose a serious pace threat in behind if Costa doesn't play so there should be little worries there, although I guess Bernadeschi is no slouch. Dier is quick enough anyway, and aside from that one mistake at Anfield he has been excellent in the last few weeks.

Son unlucky as well, but someone has to make way to play 3 at the back and I think he's been slightly off it the last 2 or 3 games. A small rest wouldn't do him any harm and he provides a great option off the bench. A bench that looks very strong,

Trix · Feb 11, 2018

thinktank said:
@Trix

What formation would you like to see; what team selection?

What tactics would you like to see us employ?

No reason whatsoever to change what has clearly been working over the last few weeks. I certainly wouldn't be changing to a pretty much untested 4-3-2-1. I also don't get why you are throwing in Toby, winks, lamela Rose, and wanyama, who collectively have hardly played any minutes for months into such a big game.

Knock out stages of the CL is not the time to be experimenting with formation or players that clearly won't be match sharp.

thinktank · Feb 11, 2018

Trix said:
No reason whatsoever to change what has clearly been working over the last few weeks. I certainly wouldn't be changing to a pretty much untested 4-3-2-1. I also don't get why you are throwing in Toby, winks, lamela Rose, and wanyama, who collectively have hardly played any minutes for months into such a big game.

Knock out stages of the CL is not the time to be experimenting with formation or players that clearly won't be match sharp.

It's 433.

Surprised you're questioning Vic and Lamela being involved. Both are fit - Coco is on fire, offers fantastic battle, grit, indefatigability, and Vic is exactly what we need in the middle of the park, as a rock, against this lot away.

Starting him is an absolute no-brainer for me...and many others, it would seem.

Winks and Moose either side of him in mf 3 is perfect for attempting to control the centre of the park with Lamela dropping in to combine effort.

Winks hasn't played much, granted, but with vic and dembele along side him I don't think it's a high risk tbh. Not enough of one to not go with it, for me. The benefits, in my eyes, outweigh the risk.

That mf 3, combined, gives us dynamism, vertical balls, power, ball retention, pivot, protection.

You don't "throw" Toby anywhere...if he's fit he has to play as he's our best defender, all being considered (verts obviously coming up a close second, but Tobes is boss for me). If he wasn't injured for Scum game -- which you'd prolly know -- he's likely in contention for this and was being saved - imo. If not he'd still be be my pick. I don't have concerns about a player of his quality slotting back in for a big game like this. He's ice cool.

Rose is fresh, eager and has lots to prove and was super combative and dogged in his last game. His attitude was spot on for me and his extra dynamism, pace and defensive hardness would be ideal here.

Davies is completely viable, of course, but Rose pips it, defensively, for me, for this game.

So, that's the team I'd start with, with a wank-worthy bench.

What formation would you choose for this game, Trixy, and who would you place in it; where and why?

glospur · Feb 11, 2018

thinktank said:
It's 433.

Surprised you're questioning Vic and Lamela being involved. Both are fit - Coco is on fire, offers fantastic battle, grit, indefatigability, and Vic is exactly what we need in the middle of the park, as a rock, against this lot away.

Starting him is an absolute no-brainer for me...and many others, it would seem.

Winks and Moose either side of him in mf 3 is perfect for attempting to control the centre of the park with Lamela dropping in to combine effort.

Winks hasn't played much, granted, but with vic and dembele along side him I don't think it's a high risk tbh. Not enough of one to not go with it, for me. The benefits, in my eyes, outweigh the risk.

That mf 3, combined, gives us dynamism, vertical balls, power, ball retention, pivot, protection.

You don't "throw" Toby anywhere...if he's fit he has to play as he's our best defender, all being considered (verts obviously coming up a close second, but Tobes is boss for me). If he wasn't injured for Scum game -- which you'd prolly know -- he's likely in contention for this and was being saved - imo. If not he'd still be be my pick. I don't have concerns about a player of his quality slotting back in for a big game like this. He's ice cool.

Rose is fresh, eager and has lots to prove and was super combative and dogged in his last game. His attitude was spot on for me and his extra dynamism, pace and defensive hardness would be ideal here.

Davies is completely viable, of course, but Rose pips it, defensively, for me, for this game.

So, that's the team I'd start with, with a wank-worthy bench.

What formation would you choose for this game, Trixy, and who would you place in it; where and why?

Strange that you would want us to play a formation that we haven't really played before under Pochettino in our biggest away game so far this season. That would be utter lunacy.

thinktank · Feb 11, 2018

glospur said:
Strange that you would want us to play a formation that we haven't really played before under Pochettino in our biggest away game so far this season. That would be utter lunacy.

We've shifted to a 3 in mf in games before...in-game.

Is the only reason you think it wouldn't work because we haven't specifically started with 433 before?

Trix · Feb 11, 2018

thinktank said:
It's 433.

Surprised you're questioning Vic and Lamela being involved. Both are fit - Coco is on fire, offers fantastic battle, grit, indefatigability, and Vic is exactly what we need in the middle of the park, as a rock, against this lot away.

Starting him is an absolute no-brainer for me...and many others, it would seem.

Winks and Moose either side of him in mf 3 is perfect for attempting to control the centre of the park with Lamela dropping in to combine effort.

Winks hasn't played much, granted, but with vic and dembele along side him I don't think it's a high risk tbh. Not enough of one to not go with it, for me. The benefits, in my eyes, outweigh the risk.

That mf 3, combined, gives us dynamism, vertical balls, power, ball retention, pivot, protection.

You don't "throw" Toby anywhere...if he's fit he has to play as he's our best defender, all being considered (verts obviously coming up a close second, but Tobes is boss for me). If he wasn't injured for Scum game -- which you'd prolly know -- he's likely n contention for this and was being saved - imo. If not he'd still be be my pick. I don't have concerns about a player of his quality slotting back in for a big game like this. He's ice cool.

Rose is fresh, eager and has lots to prove and was super combative and dogged in his last game. His attitude was spot on for me and his extra dynamism, pace and defensive hardness would be ideal here.

Davies is completely viable, of course, but Rose pips it, defensively, for me, for this game.

So, that's the team I'd start with, with a wank-worthy bench.

What formation would you choose for this game, Trixy, and who would you place in it; where and why?

You are trying to justify making an awful lot of changes to a side that has just dominated Yanited, Pool and Arsenal.

Why would anyone in their right mind do that?

The only things up for debate imo is whether Toby comes in and we play a back three or keep it as a traditional back four, and possibly Wanyama in for Dier(but that would be harsh imo)

Plenty of games coming up for the returners to get up to speed, after this one, until then we should stick with the team that has clearly been working against quality opposition.

danielneeds · Feb 11, 2018

Press this lot properly and we will be rewarded.

nightgoat · Feb 11, 2018

We're playing really well at the moment, so it would be tempting to just stick with the same team, especially as we now have better options off the bench with Lamela and Moura.

Maybe Alderweireld and Aurier in for Sanchez and Trippier.

knowlespurs · Feb 11, 2018

i think maybe Aurier for Trippier and if demeble is fit then no more changes
if dembele unable to play 2 games close together then Vic

smallsnc · Feb 11, 2018

felmani26 said:
Bit blasé against a European heavyweight don'tcha think?

Fergie had to adapt his tactics in Europe and we should be no different

You can adapt tactics without altering the formation. 4-2-3-1 for me.

glospur · Feb 11, 2018

thinktank said:
We've shifted to a 3 in mf in games before...in-game.

Is the only reason you think it wouldn't work because we haven't specifically started with 433 before?

We've never played a 4-3-3 like that. We've played a 3 man midfield with 3 at the back before, but not a 4-3-3.

It's not about whether it would or would not work. It's about not taking unnecessary risks in the biggest away game of the season. Play the percentages in these games and be prudent. It would be an unnecessary risk to play an unknown formation that could upset the rhythm of the players and their knowledge of where to be and when to be there which is obviously fantastic in the current system which has been working well recently.

Paolo10 · Feb 11, 2018

What exactly has Aurier shown to take Trippier's place? (Barring not getting skinned by Sane in a game he didn't play in?!)

wrd · Feb 11, 2018

How we all feeling about dembeles fitness to do another game?

glospur · Feb 11, 2018

Paolo10 said:
What exactly has Aurier shown to take Trippier's place? (Barring not getting skinned by Sane in a game he didn't play in?!)

I had Aurier in my team simply down to rotation. We know Pochettino likes to rotate the fullbacks and Tripps got through a lot of work against Arsenal. It's important to keep things fresh, and it's not as if Aurier is a poor player. He was first choice and would have played these games most likely if he hadn't have got injured a couple of weeks ago.

Fair play to Tripps though, he got his opportunity to redeem himself and reclaim that first choice RB spot while Aurier was injured and he's done that in the last couple of games. He's been excellent.

We're in a pretty envious position regarding our fullbacks where almost everyone is comfortable with whatever combination we go with.

nightgoat · Feb 11, 2018

Paolo10 said:
What exactly has Aurier shown to take Trippier's place? (Barring not getting skinned by Sane in a game he didn't play in?!)

Aurier's played very well recently after an inauspicious start. More pace/athleticism. More experience in games of this stature.

Paolo10 · Feb 11, 2018

You don't rotate your two preferred full-backs in the knockout stages of the Champions League. I'd be amazed if Aurier starts.

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