ChristianBaler
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Player watch: Toby Alderweireld
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Great post. Jan was my player of the season last year and this so far. More important to the team than Toby. Deserves the armband imho on merit.
Alderweireld has had a major injury in 3 of the 4 last seasons. His injury in the 14/15 season was even a hamstring injury.
So when the club wants to be 100% percent sure he's fully fit before he's sent into the biggest battles, he needs to just get on with it.
So when the club wants to be 100% percent sure he's fully fit before he's sent into the biggest battles, he needs to just get on with it.
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Toby signed a 5 year contract with us which spands to 2020. Is there any doubt over this?
http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/dream-come-true-for-toby-080715/
http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/dream-come-true-for-toby-080715/
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For all of our good work last night it still showed that we need Toby for the second leg. I doubt we'd get away with mistakes like that twice against opposition of that quality.
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What are the transfer fees "in place" for them both?
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Jose can suck my plums.
Yeah...sure we're going to give you two important players and take one of your cast offs.
Is Jose likely to give us Rasford or Martial as well as Shaw. No feckin way.
Hands somewhat tied if Toby wants out, but Rose as well.
Feck right off.
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Problem is that it could be anyone, Chelsea could match the fee and he'd be free to negotiate with them, not that I think he would go there, I think we either tie him down to a longer deal this summer or sell him.
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But the mistakes came from our full backs?
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Toby, and to some extent Dier, is better at reading situations and completing cover for aggresive fullbacks better than Sanchez is (today). I actually think Sanchez has gotten better as the season has gone on at reading these danger situations but his execution has whiffed or been duped too easily at times. Example from the Arsenal game where Sanchez accurately reads the Lacazette throughball late on but misses and steps over rather than clearing the ball to Neptune which plays Lacazette through. Jan and Toby are both elite in these situations whereas I think Sanchez is probably a 7/10 which is by no means bad but can be exploited over 90 mins.
(a) I thought Sanchez had a real tough time last night. Not knocking him as a player and still think he will be a beast longterm, but times last night were as out of depth as I think he's been all season--again, not knocking him, it is an accomplishment that as a 21 y/o I found this performance to be mostly an anomaly.
(b) In a back 3 much like the one we used against Madrid, with Davo in the center and Toby on the right, Toby offers a huge amount of protection for our fullbacks. I would like to see this used in the return leg, because despite the way we looked dominant for much of the game (feels amazing to be writing that), Juve had a ton of space on the counter and I thought looked threatening throughout.
(c) I think posters on here have been thoroughly underrating Toby since he's been out. It is now a common trope to see people writing how Jan is better, but I don't get the point of that--we are lucky to have both! Perhaps some are bracing for his departure, and trying to rationalize. Bottom line: I think Toby is the most composed defender on the team in terms of getting someone off the ball and not looking rattled...pretty much ever. (We miss his diagonals too, but that is for another post). I think he would have really tightened up our backline yesterday, and I agree we sorely missed him.
Edit: just to clarify, Jan is an incredible defender too! But I do think they defend someone differently, and Toby is our best defender at reading situations, making preemptive challenges and straight bullying attackers off the ball, which would have really helped shut down the space we gave Juve yesterday.
The goin rate for Toby this summer based on his age of 29 and the comparison of VVM at 75m and 60m for Laporte is probably 55m. By 30 the value is probably about the 30m Milan paid for Bonnuci.
He’s probably worth the 150k/week spoken about so we’re ‘saving’ about 6m in wages between now and then too if he doesn’t sign on. All that said we’d be fine getting that year of peak world class cb service out of him for about 20m of ‘fee depreciation and wages’ and have a decent shot of keeping him a year later anyway when the market for him at 30 will be much less competitive and we’re in a pos
He’s probably worth the 150k/week spoken about so we’re ‘saving’ about 6m in wages between now and then too if he doesn’t sign on. All that said we’d be fine getting that year of peak world class cb service out of him for about 20m of ‘fee depreciation and wages’ and have a decent shot of keeping him a year later anyway when the market for him at 30 will be much less competitive and we’re in a pos
Gb160
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These are both good posts, but I don't know if a back 3/5 would've made a difference to the mistakes that lead to the penalties, I guess we'll never know.
With Aurier we've seen that kind of mistake before, but with Davies it was out of character.
Obviously we'll never know, but I do think in a back 3 Aurier would have/Trips will be (next leg) less likely to face Douglas Costa barreling down on them 1 on 1. That was pretty damn scary.
'O Zio
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The issue isn't when his current deal ends, the issue is that if we activate the 1 year extension option to take it to 2020, that also activates a 25m buy-out clause, so activating the extension would effectively be like agreeing to sell him for 25m. We want him to sign a new contract that doesn't have a buyout clause but he wants it left in. At least that's what seems to be the general consensus based on the posts on here.
Gb160
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Yeah I'm a bit worried about Costa's pace versus Trips tbh.
Gb160
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Because I would imagine that unlike Suarez, Toby's agent has made it legally binding.
'O Zio
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That was a very weird situation. They basically said players never honour what's written in the contract so why should we. One of those things where I guess everyone could've argued the toss about it in court if they'd wanted to but instead made a "gentleman's agreement" with Suarez instead.
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