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Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

danielneeds

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Losing Toby isn’t really a big deal, he’s not actually that key to our success. We’ve done perfectly well without and barring a few lapses in concentration Sanchez has on the whole being excellent. Jan is by far our star performing centre back. Losing Toby is no different to losing Walker and Rose to injury, we all panicked... what we going to do, we’re buggered. Yet Trippier and Davies both stepped up and saw us to our highest premier league finish. The only positions we have suffered or could suffer from are goalkeeper, central midfield/creativity and striker. Losing Lloris long term = no quality cover. We’ve struggled in Wanyama’s absence with Dier being hit and miss. Demblele’s fitness issues and Winks forever injured have left us really short in centre midfield. Whereas no Eriksen has had us in the shit and losing Kane would be a disaster as there’s zero cover.
You’re way off here. Toby is much more important that Rose or Walker. He’s a talker and an organiser, as well as being a brilliant footballer.

As well as we’ve done without him, he’s one of the best around.

Having said that, if he’s really after a five year deal, and with his increasing history of repeating hamstring injuries, there would be alarm bells ringing for Levy on a purely value for money front.
 

coys200

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At least this saga will be over in the next 6 months one way or the other. The last thing we need is a Sanchez situation. There’s absolutely no way he could stay if doesn’t sign this summer.
 

Luka Van der Bale

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that article says 27 is peak age for Strikers. Kane still only 24.

When opposition CBs realise that Kane hasn't even turned Super Saiyan yet.
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With Kane’s lack of reliance on pace and his overall intelligence, only injuries can stop him being in his prime well into his 30s in my opinion.
 

coys200

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You’re way off here. Toby is much more important that Rose or Walker. He’s a talker and an organiser, as well as being a brilliant footballer.

As well as we’ve done without him, he’s one of the best around.

Having said that, if he’s really after a five year deal, and with his increasing history of repeating hamstring injuries, there would be alarm bells ringing for Levy on a purely value for money front.

Yup I actually think the length of contract could be more a sticking point than the money. From here 3.5 yrs with 1 year add on would be fair imo. It will be interesting how Poch handles aging players if everyone stays.I just don’t think 30+ players fit into his philosophy. One of the most striking things about the last 4 games has been our superior fitness.
 

TEESSIDE1

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You’re way off here. Toby is much more important that Rose or Walker. He’s a talker and an organiser, as well as being a brilliant footballer.

As well as we’ve done without him, he’s one of the best around.

Having said that, if he’s really after a five year deal, and with his increasing history of repeating hamstring injuries, there would be alarm bells ringing for Levy on a purely value for money front.

I’m not disputing his quality I’m merely pointing out that we haven’t suffered as a team in his absence. If he leaves then he’ll obviously need replacing but it won’t be the same as losing say Kane as finding a quality striker is extremely difficult. Whereas in defence we’ve already got Verts, Sanchez, Foyth looks really promising and Dier is competent at centre back. As it stands Toby needs to prove his fitness and earn his place.
 

dagraham

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I’m not disputing his quality I’m merely pointing out that we haven’t suffered as a team in his absence. If he leaves then he’ll obviously need replacing but it won’t be the same as losing say Kane as finding a quality striker is extremely difficult. Whereas in defence we’ve already got Verts, Sanchez, Foyth looks really promising and Dier is competent at centre back. As it stands Toby needs to prove his fitness and earn his place.

We’ve coped well without him and Sanchez has been a very good signing, but we’re still conceding more goals than last season.
 

dagraham

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i think the absence of wanyama should also be considered, before toby's injury we have conceded many as well

Yeah there are a few reasons, but I just don't think we should all sit back thinking it's no real loss if he leaves. He may not have Sanchez's strength and recovery pace, but he's still a better and more experienced defender. Plus I think we also miss his passing out from the back.
 

'O Zio

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Is there any reliable source or evidence that states that he has this extension and buy out clause or is it just media mambo jambo?

I've no idea to be honest mate. That's what's been mentioned by numerous people on here over the months but I can't remember whether it was ever confirmed by ITK or not. It's been mentioned in the media as well so I'm assuming no smoke without fire but could be wrong. That was just my understanding of the situation but I'm obviously not in any way claiming to be in-the-know.
 

danielneeds

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If we can't make him one of the best paid CBs in the league this summer, or at least stretch ourselves to make him close to the best paid, then he's well within his rights to find someone who will. Apart from Kane, there's been no-one who's clearly been the best player in his position in the PL for such a long. It's his last big contract, so I really don't blame him.
 

'O Zio

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When it comes to football transfer and contract reporting, where there's smoke, there's an agent.

Right but that still means there is something to it then. Whether the "leak" has come from the agent or someone else it's still usually based on some grain of truth. If he was perfectly happy with the offer on the table, why would his agent leak to the press that he wasn't and that he had a potential release clause? You only do that if you're testing the waters to see what interest is out there. I'm not saying he won't sign a new deal,l I've no idea, but the fact that this kind of information is being put out by someone, agent or not, strongly suggests that he's at least considering his options.
 

spursgirls

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Yeah there are a few reasons, but I just don't think we should all sit back thinking it's no real loss if he leaves. He may not have Sanchez's strength and recovery pace, but he's still a better and more experienced defender. Plus I think we also miss his passing out from the back.
I feel a lot more confident that we will cope with an attack with Toby there. I think the players do too. Sanchez is good, but not as good as Toby, so I can't see why we would let him go without a fight. We need the best players to progress, and Toby IS the Best IMHO
 

spids

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He is entering his peak years, and along with Jan, will be one of the world's top 5 CBs for the next 3 years. If it's just about money then hopefully Levy can find another 50k per week to tie him down. Him renewing with be a massive sign of intent. Sanchez is a great signing, but he is a long way from consistent, error free performances purely due to his age.
 

TEESSIDE1

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He is entering his peak years, and along with Jan, will be one of the world's top 5 CBs for the next 3 years. If it's just about money then hopefully Levy can find another 50k per week to tie him down. Him renewing with be a massive sign of intent. Sanchez is a great signing, but he is a long way from consistent, error free performances purely due to his age.

There’s been previous ITK that he wants trophies, to me this translates as only being interested in money and the glory side of football. Where’s the fun in going to Barcelona, Bayern Munich, PSG etc where all you have to do is turn up, put in a half arsed performance and still win. We’re on the cusp of fighting for honours on several fronts and with the reported hefty summer investment in addition to our fantastic squad we’re going places. For Toby to turn his nose up at our exciting yet realistic adventure makes him come across as a bit of a glory seeking nob.

Ps, Toby should replicate my devotion to the cause... walked into a bollard whilst typing my reply :ROFLMAO:
 

coys200

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I think you just have to trust Poch. If he really really wants to keep Toby then we will keep him. Obviously Toby is a very good player however I feel he is overhyped at times in comparison with vertonghen. The straight facts are we lost same number of games with him out in double the amount of fixtures. People also conveniently forget he was at heart of our defence for a diabolical display against West Ham when 2-0 up.if I knew I could get say a De ligt or a De jong and £80m for toby you’d have to be tempted.
 

spids

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I think you just have to trust Poch. If he really really wants to keep Toby then we will keep him. Obviously Toby is a very good player however I feel he is overhyped at times in comparison with vertonghen. The straight facts are we lost same number of games with him out in double the amount of fixtures. People also conveniently forget he was at heart of our defence for a diabolical display against West Ham when 2-0 up.if I knew I could get say a De ligt or a De jong and £80m for toby you’d have to be tempted.

Sorry, but I totally disagree with this. If Toby will not sign a new contract then it is totally out of Poch's hands. We can get £75M+ for him this summer, but only £25M for him next summer (as per his contract clause). I know which one of the two Levy will go for. Quite right too.

However, if Toby just wants a decent contract (say £150k per week) and Poch wants to keep him then I am sure it would be Poch's decision and Levy would be happy to offer that (based on the ITK we have received about funding for new contracts this summer). The key thing is that it all depends on what Toby wants with Poch's input secondary.
 
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