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Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

spursgirls

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Sorry, but I totally disagree with this. If Toby will not sign a new contract then it is totally out of Poch's hands. We can get £75M+ for him this summer, but only £25M for him next summer (as per his contract clause). I know which one of the two Levy will go for. Quite right too.

However, if Toby just wants a decent contract (say £150k per week) and Poch wants to keep him then I am sure it would be Poch's decision and Levy would be happy to offer that (based on the ITK we have received about funding for new contracts this summer). The key thing is that it all depends on what Toby wants with Poch's input secondary.
I actually feel pretty confident that in the summer, in the new stadium, with the extra income, he will be offered a new contract with a huge wage rise. I feel he wants to be part of this journey and wants to stay.
 

Shadydan

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Sorry, but I totally disagree with this. If Toby will not sign a new contract then it is totally out of Poch's hands. We can get £75M+ for him this summer, but only £25M for him next summer (as per his contract clause). I know which one of the two Levy will go for. Quite right too.

However, if Toby just wants a decent contract (say £150k per week) and Poch wants to keep him then I am sure it would be Poch's decision and Levy would be happy to offer that (based on the ITK we have received about funding for new contracts this summer). The key thing is that it all depends on what Toby wants with Poch's input secondary.

Who's gonna pay £75m for a player they know they can get £25m for next summer?
 

Donki

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Throw money at him.

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Kingellesar

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Who's gonna pay £75m for a player they know they can get £25m for next summer?

Real Madrid might if they need defensive reinforcements in the summer.

Liverpool would or United I bet. But yeah I think £75m would be a stretch, think £50m is more realistic considering the contract situation.
 

coys200

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Who's gonna pay £75m for a player they know they can get £25m for next summer?
Because it’s all about timing and some clubs don’t care. As Sanchez showed. He would have been £0 in summer but effectively cost united £35m
 

spids

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Who's gonna pay £75m for a player they know they can get £25m for next summer?

Rich clubs.

Chelsea could have got Barkley for nothing if they'd waited 6 months. Man U could have got Sanchez for nothing if they'd waited 6 months. They both still threw money at them to get their new toys early.
 

Shadydan

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Because it’s all about timing and some clubs don’t care. As Sanchez showed. He would have been £0 in summer but effectively cost united £35m

Can't see it personally.

RE: Sanchez, he didn't cost that much seeing as he was a swap deal with Mkhitaryan.
 

dovahkiin

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ali z: It is not about just Money with Toby, you can't just pluck figures out the air and expect club to be ABLE to pay them, as I hear they are looking to improve all contracts significantly.
 

Shadydan

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Rich clubs.

Chelsea could have got Barkley for nothing if they'd waited 6 months. Man U could have got Sanchez for nothing if they'd waited 6 months. They both still threw money at them to get their new toys early.

Chelsea example is solidifying my point, they could have got Barkley for £35m but they waited until Jan to get him £20m cheaper.
 

BringBack_leGin

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I think the club have been very proactive re Toby. Sanchez is good and will be very good, Foyth next year will probably be Premiership ready after this season’s internship, and even Carter Vickers will be a fair better option after a season of first team football. There’s also still Dier as an option too.

While Toby is one of the best, and difficult to replace in terms of individual quality, the defence is and always will be about the unit and how they are coached. I’ll be disappointed if we lose Toby but not devastated.

I actually think we’ve done our succession planning with Toby already, if he leaves then the money would be best spent on succession planning for Vertonghen (I think we need at least one left footed specialist centre back) and Dembele.
 

14/04/91

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Might have already been suggested but maybe he's waiting to see if we qualify for CL again.
Could be one of the reasons for not yet agreeing a new contract.
 

Shadydan

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Might have already been suggested but maybe he's waiting to see if we qualify for CL again.
Could be one of the reasons for not yet agreeing a new contract.

I'm sure I read ITK saying that he's biding his time and waiting until the end of the season.

I personally think he's waiting to see if our ambition matches his, be it qualifying for the CL, players we bring in, players we may lose and the next contract spluge particularly what we offer Kane, Kane will be the highest paid player at this club no matter what and I reckon he thinks he should be almost at parity with him.

Loads of speculative nonsense there but It's gonna be resolved in the summer one way or the other. :D
 

Bus-Conductor

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I wouldn’t be devastated from our perspective if we lost TA, we coped chunks of last year and this without him, Dier is pretty much the younger version and we have Sanchez and Foyth.

I just wouldn’t particularly want him going to Arsenal or Liverpool, because they are our most immediate rivals and both could do with a player like him.

I’m surprised we ended up with this buy-out clause. Very unlike Levy, can’t ever remember it happening before. I guess at the time 25m for a 30yo CB who we’d paid 12m for seemed perfectly sensible.
 

Archibald Leitch

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For Toby to turn his nose up at our exciting yet realistic adventure makes him come across as a bit of a glory seeking nob.
He's a professional footballer, not a fan. We all have different motivations for going to work. I'm not going to knock someone just because their motivation is different to mine.
 

Ron Burgundy

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Jun 19, 2008
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I've accepted he's leaving. He would've signed by now if he was going to. Whatever we offer him someone else will double it.

I think that’s most likely, yes.

It’s not totally impossible that we’re waiting to see how the year turns out - if we regularity for the CL and move into the new stadium, perhaps that’s when there would be a series of renegotiations - including Toby, Kane etc

In that’s scenario perhaps he would re-sign.

It’s a long shot, I concede, but Ozil re-signed when everyone thought he would leave...but then he’s obviously a massive pussy, so maybe not a fair precedent
 

BringBack_leGin

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I wouldn’t be devastated from our perspective if we lost TA, we coped chunks of last year and this without him, Dier is pretty much the younger version and we have Sanchez and Foyth.

I just wouldn’t particularly want him going to Arsenal or Liverpool, because they are our most immediate rivals and both could do with a player like him.

I’m surprised we ended up with this buy-out clause. Very unlike Levy, can’t ever remember it happening before. I guess at the time 25m for a 30yo CB who we’d paid 12m for seemed perfectly sensible.
That's the thing, £25m for a 30 year old centre back who has given us four years service and generally been excellent, having only signed for £12m, is not that bad at all.

Toby is a great centre back, but he has also never been quite as great since his first big injury, and this is the second successive season where he missed a considerable chunk of games through injuries. If we get one more year out of him and he then leaves for £25m at the age of 30, with Sanchez having had 2 seasons of Premier league experience/ Pochettino coaching and Foyth even further along, it won't be a disaster at all. I'd actually rather lose him for £25m because of this supposed clause in the summer of 2019 than for £50m this coming summer, but I doubt Levy will see it that way.
 
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