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Player Watch: Marcus Edwards

blackburn

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Sounds a bit name droppy but a pal of mine managed in the PL for many years and I recently had an interesting discussion re young players. Many excel within their own age group and are "promoted" to train with the first team where the vast majority simply can't cope with the physicality. Some are sent out on loan as part of a learning curve where the players at the new club are keen to intimidate talented youngsters from big clubs. Some respond, such as Kane, plenty more don't.

I know nothing about Edwards but I'd suggest this move to Norwich is the eye opener and reality check Poch wants him to have, its down to the player and nobody else how he reacts.
 

dontcallme

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Does kwp out perform aurier and trippier in training?
Harry winks made his debut for us in 2014. That was the only appearance for us that season. The next season he made 2 appearances for us. The third he made 33 appearances. Kwp made his debut this season. He's made 5 appearances for us so far.

Football fans are too impatient.
I think this is the point. Simply saying a player works hard in training so should get minutes is nonsense.

We are performing at a very high level. We rotate our full backs a fair amount. To play at their premium the experienced players also need minutes on the pitch.

Maybe KWP does work hard in training but hasn’t developed his all round game enough to be trusted in big games. Let’s face it, every game is a big game for us the rest of the season.

Rotating 2 players for 1 position is difficult, 3 is impossible.

In weaker leagues young players get minutes due to the lower quality. No team in the Prem implements youth at a high rate, there’s a good reason for this.
 

Col_M

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Sounds a bit name droppy but a pal of mine managed in the PL for many years and I recently had an interesting discussion re young players. Many excel within their own age group and are "promoted" to train with the first team where the vast majority simply can't cope with the physicality. Some are sent out on loan as part of a learning curve where the players at the new club are keen to intimidate talented youngsters from big clubs. Some respond, such as Kane, plenty more don't.

I know nothing about Edwards but I'd suggest this move to Norwich is the eye opener and reality check Poch wants him to have, its down to the player and nobody else how he reacts.

It’s not name droppy if you don’t drop the name!!
 

ilikeost

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I think peoples expectations has been warped by Kanes success. The amount of youth players that turn into top tier players are extremely low and we are after top tier players. We obviously should be patient with the likes of Edwards but just because someone looks great at 17 playing in a youth team doesn't mean they'll manage the step up to a senior team.

Also, I think the reason Pochettino gave a lot of youth players a chance at the start of his time with us was because the team was filled with a bunch of players he didn't trust and didn't care for. At this point this is his team, his players so he probably doesn't feel the need to gamble on a youth player when he has a senior player that he trusts to do the job.
 

Col_M

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Feb 28, 2012
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I think peoples expectations has been warped by Kanes success. The amount of youth players that turn into top tier players are extremely low and we are after top tier players. We obviously should be patient with the likes of Edwards but just because someone looks great at 17 playing in a youth team doesn't mean they'll manage the step up to a senior team.

Also, I think the reason Pochettino gave a lot of youth players a chance at the start of his time with us was because the team was filled with a bunch of players he didn't trust and didn't care for. At this point this is his team, his players so he probably doesn't feel the need to gamble on a youth player when he has a senior player that he trusts to do the job.

I agree with your second point but not your first. The reason we have high expectations is that we’ve seen the videos of him growing up and being talented. I doubt there’s a video of Kane from his teens that doesn’t show him as just another Ginger Pele.
 

$hoguN

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I think peoples expectations has been warped by Kanes success. The amount of youth players that turn into top tier players are extremely low and we are after top tier players. We obviously should be patient with the likes of Edwards but just because someone looks great at 17 playing in a youth team doesn't mean they'll manage the step up to a senior team.

Also, I think the reason Pochettino gave a lot of youth players a chance at the start of his time with us was because the team was filled with a bunch of players he didn't trust and didn't care for. At this point this is his team, his players so he probably doesn't feel the need to gamble on a youth player when he has a senior player that he trusts to do the job.
Whilst this is true, a balance has to be struck with actually giving players a chance to shine. If you close off the opportunities for academy players you end up like Chelsea who despite everything being stacked in their favour find it impossible to bring kids through, which in years to come will cost them as kids will go elsewhere
 

Anuth

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Does kwp out perform aurier and trippier in training?
Harry winks made his debut for us in 2014. That was the only appearance for us that season. The next season he made 2 appearances for us. The third he made 33 appearances. Kwp made his debut this season. He's made 5 appearances for us so far.

Football fans are too impatient.

Whether he outperform Aurier and Trippier or not

Don't you think he deserves more than 5 minutes at LB when we 2-0 @home against League 2 side?
 

coys200

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There is no point Poch playing youth for the sake of it. He plays them when he needs to and only if he believes they are ready and able to do the job required.
Yup sometimes I get frustrated when I think that was an opportunity to put XYZ on bench. But ultimately Poch must Just think they aren’t good enough. He has given TOB a look in at 17. I just think the Edwards situation has frustrated a lot . But it seems that was much more down to player than Poch.
 

Gb160

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but people on here know when players have bad attitude and not working hard in training?
They don't know, they make an assumption based on information that's in the public domain.
Anyone saying x player deserves game time are presuming (guessing)...big difference.
 

buttons

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Whether he outperform Aurier and Trippier or not

Don't you think he deserves more than 5 minutes at LB when we 2-0 @home against League 2 side?

I understand what you’re saying, but on the flip side, what benefits the first team more, giving players like Rose and Aurier minutes against Newport because they haven’t played much, meaning they’re more likely to be ready when called upon, or, give KWP minutes ‘for the sake of it’?
 

slartibartfast

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Yup sometimes I get frustrated when I think that was an opportunity to put XYZ on bench. But ultimately Poch must Just think they aren’t good enough. He has given TOB a look in at 17. I just think the Edwards situation has frustrated a lot . But it seems that was much more down to player than Poch.
Or he does what I do with my u10s, get busy chatting and then realise 'oh bollocks I was supposed to get him on 5min ago' lol.
 

buttons

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Sounds a bit name droppy but a pal of mine managed in the PL for many years and I recently had an interesting discussion re young players. Many excel within their own age group and are "promoted" to train with the first team where the vast majority simply can't cope with the physicality. Some are sent out on loan as part of a learning curve where the players at the new club are keen to intimidate talented youngsters from big clubs. Some respond, such as Kane, plenty more don't.

I know nothing about Edwards but I'd suggest this move to Norwich is the eye opener and reality check Poch wants him to have, its down to the player and nobody else how he reacts.

Absolutely this. We don’t know for sure but from what we hear it sounds like ME has an ego (not necessarily a terrible thing) but sending him to Norwich to fight for his place in a pretty tough Championship environment, might be just what he needs to focus himself.
 

Anuth

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I understand what you’re saying, but on the flip side, what benefits the first team more, giving players like Rose and Aurier minutes against Newport because they haven’t played much, meaning they’re more likely to be ready when called upon, or, give KWP minutes ‘for the sake of it’?

I understand your point and I agree with starting Rose and Aurie. but I think we should have played him a little bit early on. Maybe 75th min or even 80th min?
 

Donki

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Hmmm that's one for Poch. All i know is on his debut for us, KWP won man of the match and was solid throughout the whole game. KWP is also one of the hardest workers in training. With both those things going for him, he still can't get anymore minutes in the league or in his preferred position of RB.

Trippier and Aurier in front of him and needing every point we can possibly get, and every win in the cup competitions, I can see why Poch goes for experience.
 

Blake Griffin

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I understand what you’re saying, but on the flip side, what benefits the first team more, giving players like Rose and Aurier minutes against Newport because they haven’t played much, meaning they’re more likely to be ready when called upon, or, give KWP minutes ‘for the sake of it’?

i agree with that but then that surely leads to the question of - what is the point of kwp even being here? his development has effectively been put on hold while we put our time into trying to improve aurier.
 

dontcallme

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i agree with that but then that surely leads to the question of - what is the point of kwp even being here? his development has effectively been put on hold while we put our time into trying to improve aurier.
This is the question and I don’t blame Pochettino.

ITK at the beginning of the season suggested KWP was not readyinPoch’s opinion.

So KWP can hang around and wait for his chance or leave.
 
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