I agree with both these posts, and think what THFC1973 said is more honest than a slight. I remember when Kyle left Poch said something about him wanting to win "right now", and Poch has also spoken on many occasions about the longterm project/vision that the club is gearing towards. I really hate the way our team gets slated by opposing fans and pundits for not having any titles, and I think we can only be so excited about where we're at right now and where we're heading. But in the case of Toby, as much as I would hate to lose him, I honestly would not fault him for thinking he is approaching the twilight of his career and not feeling willing to wait on our schedule. Still, I do not think it is a lost cause and think he must be encouraged by what he is seeing in terms of our ability to compete with the very best right now. That or let him win titles now...ABROAD.
Player watch: Toby Alderweireld
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I agree with both these posts, and think what THFC1973 said is more honest than a slight. I remember when Kyle left Poch said something about him wanting to win "right now", and Poch has also spoken on many occasions about the longterm project/vision that the club is gearing towards. I really hate the way our team gets slated by opposing fans and pundits for not having any titles, and I think we can only be so excited about where we're at right now and where we're heading. But in the case of Toby, as much as I would hate to lose him, I honestly would not fault him for thinking he is approaching the twilight of his career and not feeling willing to wait on our schedule. Still, I do not think it is a lost cause and think he must be encouraged by what he is seeing in terms of our ability to compete with the very best right now. That or let him win titles now...ABROAD.
gibbospurs
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If he wants out then fuck him!! Sell him and move on.
It’s weird I’ve almost dismissed the CL qualification as a factor. But when you consider how high profile now some of our players are now Kane dele eriksen. To be jogging off to northern Sweden on a plastic pitch on a Thursday would be pretty embarrassing for them.Might come into a lot more than people imagine. Now they’ve had a taste for it.
mano-obe
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Best defender in the league with Vertonghen, we gotta get him on board. Hopefully playing in a shiny new stadium will sway him a bit, but it's difficult when inferior teams are giving players 600k a week in wages. No doubt that turns heads a bit. When the likes of Mangala, Jones, Mustafi etc earn more than you, something is not right in the world. Not Spurs' fault at all.
Donki
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I think he wants buckets of cash and a better chance to win trophies considering this will likely be his finial big contract. I don't get what you mean by Dier taking the limelight or stealing Toby's thunder, they don't even vie for the same position, just my thoughts.
WexfordTownSpur
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It’s not just about one players wages it about the whole team. Now first of all I agree he should get some kind of pay rise, but we need to carefull. I think this is what happend with Rose he saw walker getting double and was hinting at looking for more or might have to look elsewhere. I think if we drastically increase wages then ( in there minds) anyway could ALL be looking for a drastic increase and before you know it we have doubled our wage bill. I believe this is why Levy is being cautious here. He knows some will have to have an increase to keep them but he doesn’t want to increase the whole team. I guess the other thing you worry about is causing disconnect in the dressing room or pitch. This is a very complex scenario and should be thought about carefully
my concern is will he the player he was in a year- we are using him sparingly he is obviously not even ready for a premiership game yet. Hopefully he can do 90 at Rochdale
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Toby was offered £110k a week but is holding out for £150k (or something in between). If he wants to leave for trophies he will reject any offer within reason anyway so there’s no point trying to break the bank to keep him only to find out his agent had already agreed a deal at another club anyway. Other players would think if he can’t get x why aren’t I worth y? Herein lies the problem and there’s no point saying “ Levy just give him what he wants”
Seems to me this is all conjecture and guess work. Most common line I have heard is he wants parity with the clubs biggest earners
But then so will Erikssen, Deli, Verts etc......but no one can say they don’t deserve to be in the ball park either
And think Spurs are kidding themselves if they think they can find equivalent world class talent in the cheap
Our RB situation has cost us points and goals this season after settling for inferior as did the immediate period Toby was out
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It's probably another 2 -dimensional observation from the pundits. When Jan first came, he was good but it was only when Toby joined him that our defence became really solid, which appears to prove that Toby was the key player. However, this truth ignores the fact that, before Toby's arrival, Jan was having to compensate for the limitations of CB partners like Kaboul and Dawson.
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Exercise the clause, get minimum 1 more year out of him after this season, then if at 30 someone triggers the £25m buy out and he'd rather leave than sign a new deal, I can live with that. Sanchez will have 2 years Premiership/ Pochettino under his belt, Foyth will have 2 years Pochettino and even more first team exposure across competitions, it won't be that traumatic a loss in my opinion. If we lost him this summer for, hypothetically, £40m, and reinvested it in an eventual Vertonghen successor or two (similar to what we've done with the two young South Americans) then I think we'd be in a very strong position.
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Ever since we learnt that Ballbag is close with Poch, I've taken more interest into what he says, he's almost like his mouthpiece, here's some interesting comments on Toby from Ballbag:
https://www.football.london/tottenh...tino-alderweireld-sanchez-dier-spurs-14302085
https://www.football.london/tottenh...tino-alderweireld-sanchez-dier-spurs-14302085
Gb160
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This is the sort of thing West Ham would do.
Appeasing a few impatient fans makes absolutely no difference with regards to whether he signs a new deal or not.
It would be highly unprofessional to go public about the current state of negotiations.
PR doesn't even come into it.
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It would help if we had a decent song for him. He probably feels we don't care :-(
spursgirls
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For some reason defenders always seem to be regarded as second fiddle to strikers, yet a goal prevented can be as important as a goal scored.
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I expect Dier to be competing for a CB spot next season. He will transition to CB for England also - and will have 4 years to do so.
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As much as I like him, Toby's not the sort of player who'll stay for the team. He won't be too worried about staying at Spurs just because it's a good team and the fans adore him. That's not a criticism because I think the majority of players are that way inclined these days. It's a short career and no one knows just how long they've got in the game; you've only got to look at what's happened to Mason to demonstrate how mercurial a football career can be. I'd love him to stay but I won't cry for too long if he goes because Sanchez isn't a million miles off Toby's level and he seems to be playing pretty well with Jan.
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If you can find a word that rhymes with Alderweireld go ahead.
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