Player Watch: Marcus Edwards

Kspur · Feb 17, 2018

coys200 said:
Yup sometimes I get frustrated when I think that was an opportunity to put XYZ on bench. But ultimately Poch must Just think they aren’t good enough. He has given TOB a look in at 17. I just think the Edwards situation has frustrated a lot . But it seems that was much more down to player than Poch.

TOB?

Hengy1 · Feb 17, 2018

Kspur said:
TOB?

Oakley-Boothe

Waxman · Feb 17, 2018

dontcallme said:
This is the question and I don’t blame Pochettino.

ITK at the beginning of the season suggested KWP was not readyinPoch’s opinion.

So KWP can hang around and wait for his chance or leave.

Don't forget AVB wanted to ship Kane out on loan again, and he refused to go, as he wanted to stay and fight for his place. Maybe KWP did similar....

Kspur · Feb 17, 2018

Hengy1 said:
Oakley-Boothe

Ah, yes, thanks.

EQP · Feb 17, 2018

Lilbaz said:
Does kwp out perform aurier and trippier in training?
Harry winks made his debut for us in 2014. That was the only appearance for us that season. The next season he made 2 appearances for us. The third he made 33 appearances. Kwp made his debut this season. He's made 5 appearances for us so far.

Football fans are too impatient.

How many of those appearances did KWP play as a RB?

Maybe I'm impatient for wanting KWP to play in his preferred position and get minutes here and there to show he has the quality.

Maybe he's getting impatient too, we have ITK from @Hercules stating that

" Trippier won’t go in January, but possible in summer. KWP wants a loan, Poch wants him to stay, learn and fight. He believes he is not getting fair chances, and one of best trainers, always impressing. We have hinted we want to revisit his recent contract with a new one. He wants to wait and see.

"

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...thread-1st-january.131300/page-5#post-5710774

So we have one of the most talented RB's to come through our Youth academy, wanting to wait and see because he's unsure about his chances moving forward.

No youth watcher is demanding that Poch start KWP or Onomah in all the games. Just give them a fair chance to show that they can cut it in the league. There have been maaaaany games were we could've had KWP off the bench to kill off a game.

Lilbaz · Feb 17, 2018

SlumDilla said:
How many of those appearances did KWP play as a RB?

Maybe I'm impatient for wanting KWP to play in his preferred position and get minutes here and there to show he has the quality.

Maybe he's getting impatient too, we have ITK from @Hercules stating that

"

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...thread-1st-january.131300/page-5#post-5710774

So we have one of the most talented RB's to come through our Youth academy, wanting to wait and see because he's unsure about his chances moving forward.

No youth watcher is demanding that Poch start KWP or Onomah in all the games. Just give them a fair chance to show that they can cut in the league. There have been maaaaany games were we could've had KWP off the bench to kill off a game.

So your ignoring what i said about winks? This method worked with him, why is kwp different? Kwp has played more minutes in his preferred position than winks did in his debut season.

coys200 · Feb 17, 2018

There’s no way we will lose KWP imo. For me it’s clearly obvious that at worst he would be an able back up at best who knows yet.

Blake Griffin · Feb 17, 2018

Lilbaz said:
So your ignoring what i said about winks? This method worked with him, why is kwp different? Kwp has played more minutes in his preferred position than winks did in his debut season.

just because one method works for one player doesn't mean it will work for another. midfield is also a far more fluid and interchangeable position than rb. kwp has to hope that trippier and aurier get injured for him to get a game, then if he does get that chance he can't just be good(like he was against newcastle), he has to absolutely knock it out of the park ... and even then that might not be enough.

allpaths · Feb 17, 2018

Lilbaz said:
So your ignoring what i said about winks? This method worked with him, why is kwp different? Kwp has played more minutes in his preferred position than winks did in his debut season.

Bc that method doesnt work for most academy players see Onomah, Edwards and CCV.

And I know that Onomah and Edwards have some deficiencies, but by all accounts CCV was a wonderful trainer and his progress stalled as well.

allpaths · Feb 17, 2018

coys200 said:
There’s no way we will lose KWP imo. For me it’s clearly obvious that at worst he would be an able back up at best who knows yet.

As good as I think KWP is and can become, I think he'll leave next summer and I dont blame anyone. Trippier has just been that good and I can't see Aurier leaving after one season no matter what.

Lilbaz · Feb 17, 2018

allpaths said:
Bc that method doesnt work for most academy players see Onomah, Edwards and CCV.

And I know that Onomah and Edwards have some deficiencies, but by all accounts CCV was a wonderful trainer and his progress stalled as well.

Ccv has been getting games and hasn't progressed. He's playing ok for ipswitch now but that's about it. What would you have done differently?

Sorry but at the end of the day most academy players wont be good enough to be in a team that wants to challenge for the title and champions league. Mason, bentaleb, townsend, pritchard were not good enough. We'll have to see with edwards as he is still young, kwp looks like he might be and is being eased into the squad. Onomah will have to turn it around.

allpaths · Feb 17, 2018

Lilbaz said:
Ccv has been getting games and hasn't progressed. He's playing ok for ipswitch now but that's about it. What would you have done differently?

Sorry but at the end of the day most academy players wont be good enough to be in a team that wants to challenge for the title and champions league. Mason, bentaleb, townsend, pritchard were not good enough. We'll have to see with edwards as he is still young, kwp looks like he might be and is being eased into the squad. Onamah will have to turn it around.

My point isnt whether or not CCV would have made it or not. My point is that his development as a player stalled because he spent two years training with the first team with minimal game time expierence. If Poch's youth integration method was effective, no matter if a player made it or not, they would still improve for the better. Especially when they are as good as trainers as KWP and CCV are.

Again I dont have a problem with Poch's methods because he is clearly getting the most out of the first team squad. All I'm saying the acdemy lads dont get a fair shake. And maybe that's just football.

Shadydan · Feb 17, 2018

allpaths said:
My point isnt whether or not CCV would have made it or not. My point is that his development as a player stalled because he spent two years training with the first team with minimal game time expierence. If Poch's youth integration method was effective, no matter if a player made it or not, they would still improve for the better. Especially when they are as good as trainers as KWP and CCV are.

Again I dont have a problem with Poch's methods because he is clearly getting the most out of the first team squad. All I'm saying the acdemy lads dont get a fair shake. And maybe that's just football.

A lot of the times players coming through from the academy to be regular first teamers is down to timing and luck, for example Marcus Rashford got very lucky because Utd had an injury crisis so they had no choice but to play him, he came in and took his chance emphatically to the point where everyone was talking about him and the rest is history.

The unfortunate thing for KWP is that Tottenham are now a team who are playing CL football and pushing for top four/titles i.e playing at a high level so the margin for error has to be minimal, if KWP came to prominence 3 years ago pre Trippier then he'd probably be first choice by now but those are the breaks.

There's only so much that the club can help players fulfill their potential and become the players they are destined to be and we all love an academy player to come into the first team but I think we have to be honest sometimes it's not going to be the case for all players and some will eventually end up not getting many matches due to circumstances we're in.

Snuzzy · Feb 17, 2018

Anuth said:
Whether he outperform Aurier and Trippier or not

Don't you think he deserves more than 5 minutes at LB when we 2-0 @home against League 2 side?

That's like saying, "whether he's injured or not, don't you think our best player should be starting our next game?"

The opening premise is completely central to the entire question.

allpaths · Feb 17, 2018

Shadydan said:
A lot of the times players coming through from the academy to be regular first teamers is down to timing and luck, for example Marcus Rashford got very lucky because Utd had an injury crisis so they had no choice but to play him, he came in and took his chance emphatically to the point where everyone was talking about him and the rest is history.

The unfortunate thing for KWP is that Tottenham are now a team who are playing CL football and pushing for top four/titles i.e playing at a high level so the margin for error has to be minimal, if KWP came to prominence 3 years ago pre Trippier then he'd probably be first choice by now but those are the breaks.

There's only so much that the club can help players fulfill their potential and become the players they are destined to be and we all love an academy player to come into the first team but I think we have to be honest sometimes it's not going to be the case for all players and some will eventually end up not getting many matches due to circumstances we're in.

I guess you didnt read the second part of that post.

Trust me, I get the "not all academy players are gonna make it" sentiment. I didnt kick up a fuss when Veljkovic, Pritchard, Bentaleb or even Mason were moved on. I understood why all of them had to leave the club.

I dont talk all of the inbetween academy talent that if we played in Europe or the championship, would have no doubt have gotten a lot better chance with us and well have turned into top professional if given the platform to reach their potential. I only talk about the players we have had in the academy that are among the top young talent in this country.

I'll understand why KWP, CCV and Edwards will most likely leave the club. The first two because as talented as they are, we are stacked at their positions and don't have the required expierence/game time to compete against them. Edwards talent and skillset is always gonna be tough to bring through in England.

I do think it'll be a small failure on the player and Poch's part if Onomah doesnt make it though. Especially since Sissoko has gotten as many minutes as he has and despite his "professionalism" he is still a liability defensively.

And forgive me if I think it's a little frustrating that only 1 out 5 of our most talented players to come through the academy, will make it. I guess that's good enough for some people.

Shadydan · Feb 17, 2018

allpaths said:
I guess you didnt read the second part of that post.

Trust me, I get the "not all academy players are gonna make it" sentiment. I didnt kick up a fuss when Veljkovic, Pritchard, Bentaleb or even Mason were moved on. I understood why all of them had to leave the club.

I dont talk all of the inbetween academy talent that if we played in Europe or the championship, would have no doubt have gotten a lot better chance with us and well have turned into top professional if given the platform to reach their potential. I only talk about the players we have had in the academy that are among the top young talent in this country.

I'll understand why KWP, CCV and Edwards will most likely leave the club. The first two because as talented as they are, we are stacked at their positions and don't have the required expierence/game time to compete against them. Edwards talent and skillset is always gonna be tough to bring through in England.

I do think it'll be a small failure on the player and Poch's part if Onomah doesnt make it though. Especially since Sissoko has gotten as many minutes as he has and despite his "professionalism" he is still a liability defensively.

And forgive me if I think it's a little frustrating that only 1 out 5 of our most talented players to come through the academy, will make it. I guess that's good enough for some people.

I read the 2nd part, I'm not disagreeing with you it's more of a follow up to your post.

I've heard so many things about Onomah being suspect defensively and there must be a reason why Poch didn't play him in his preferred position and now seemingly neither does Bruce play him at all. I think that's probably why Poch preferred to keep him at Spurs to work on those deficiencies but as far as I know it was the player's request to go out on loan(?)

Yeah I'm pretty frustrated to but in terms of challenging our rivals and staying ahead of the majority of them so we're clearly doing something right, as I said I'd love players to come through to be first teamers but I prefer results and progression and that's something that cannot be argued against with what the club are doing at the moment.

allpaths · Feb 17, 2018

Shadydan said:
I read the 2nd part, I'm not disagreeing with you it's more of a follow up to your post.

I've heard so many things about Onomah being suspect defensively and there must be a reason why Poch didn't play him in his preferred position and now seemingly neither does Bruce play him at all. I think that's probably why Poch preferred to keep him at Spurs to work on those deficiencies but as far as I know it was the player's request to go out on loan(?)

Yeah I'm pretty frustrated to but in terms of challenging our rivals and staying ahead of the majority of them so we're clearly doing something right, as I said I'd love players to come through to be first teamers but I prefer results and progression and that's something that cannot be argued against with what the club are doing at the moment.

ok, i didnt pick up on that.

Yeah, I think Josh has the same problems as Pogba. And its frustrating that he hasn't grasped poch's learning.

spurs9 · Feb 17, 2018

allpaths said:
Bc that method doesnt work for most academy players see Onomah, Edwards and CCV.

And I know that Onomah and Edwards have some deficiencies, but by all accounts CCV was a wonderful trainer and his progress stalled as well.

I don't think it is fair to include CCV in with Onomah and Edwards, as CCV has been given decent times in cups in his favorite position. Unfortunately for CCV, his biggest weakness (speed of turn and acceleration) appear to have gotten worse as he has gotten older and filled out.

southlondonyiddo · Feb 17, 2018

I think ME should take a leaf out of JO and get his nut down. Don’t go AWOL and watch CCV

KWP won’t be going ATS but KT is well ahead of him

ITK reckon TOB is TRD so let’s WTS

BTW all these abbreviations DMHI

TBC

spursram · Feb 18, 2018

southlondonyiddo said:
I think ME should take a leaf out of JO and get his nut down. Don’t go AWOL and watch CCV

KWP won’t be going ATS but KT is well ahead of him

ITK reckon TOB is TRD so let’s WTS

BTW all these abbreviations DMHI

TBC

Yes, TLAs DMHI also.

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