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Rochdale vs Tottenham Hotspur - Match Thread

Krule

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Does make you wonder about best policy...come out blazing with all the big guns right from the start...go two or three up and then bring them off and put the rest of the squad out to hold what we have or keep them all on the bench in case they are needed to rescue the situation and hope the team is good enough to manage a win...
 

Mighty Spurs

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Embarrassibg is tghe onl=y way I feel I can describe the result.. Typical Spurs, we had a great come back against one of the giants in Europre, then we cannot win against a third tier team. So frustrating.
 

heelspurs

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Tbh I have no idea what this means.
Abraham Lincoln (16th pres of US) was shot in the head while watching a play. Presumably, his wife was in attendance.

Point being you are kinda burying the lede with your assessment of Winks' performance. We were being outplayed in a cup tie and Winks makes a terrible, unforgivable decision for a midfielder that leads to the opening goal. He could have come back and scored a hattrick himself and that mistake still should have been the first note on his game report.
 

Streetspur77

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Abraham Lincoln (16th pres of US) was shot in the head while watching a play. Presumably, his wife was in attendance.

Point being you are kinda burying the lede with your assessment of Winks' performance. We were being outplayed in a cup tie and Winks makes a terrible, unforgivable decision for a midfielder that leads to the opening goal. He could have come back and scored a hattrick himself and that mistake still should have been the first note on his game report.

Unforgivable?!? He held onto possession too long, it's not the cardinal sin
 

bomberH

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Quick question: I know we have to beat Rochdale and then either Sheff Weds or Swansea but if we do, will the semis still be at Wembley or does it have to be a neutral venue? Ta.
 

heelspurs

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Unforgivable?!?
Yeah, unforgivable. I'm not saying he should be drawn and quartered but the point should be made. Notice he was subbed. I think Poch agrees with me. And I would expect in the next fixture he won't start but come on later. How can the backline feel comfortable giving you the ball if you won't take care of it?
 

theShiznit

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Abraham Lincoln (16th pres of US) was shot in the head while watching a play. Presumably, his wife was in attendance.

Point being you are kinda burying the lede with your assessment of Winks' performance. We were being outplayed in a cup tie and Winks makes a terrible, unforgivable decision for a midfielder that leads to the opening goal. He could have come back and scored a hattrick himself and that mistake still should have been the first note on his game report.
Someone asked was winks that bad (presumably a they'd been taken back by the amount of negativity)

And apart from that moment he was good. It was a bad moment, but does it negate everything else he did in the match?

On the flip side Sissoko made a decent through ball that was finished by Moura does that moment absolve the rest of his game?

Winks is a player that has come in and shown positivity on the ball (and in his use of it) whose confidence has been effected partly by injury but also by a massively ott negative reaction to one backwards pass where he was unaware of who was around him (I reacted in the comfort of my home btw)

I like what I have seen of him and would like to see a return to his best form. I thought today was a step in that direction, forgive me.

Ps, time to update your topical references...(y)
 

Phomesy

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On the flip side Sissoko made a decent through ball that was finished by Moura does that moment absolve the rest of his game?

Lol - you see it's this type of comment that forces a response.

Sissoko was involved in three of our best moments in the first half. The best when he started a move that ended with him just missing a wonderful Trippier cross by busting a gut to get into the box providing the target Llorente should have been.

He made no critical errors in the match. He kept the ball well and distributed it neatly if unadventurously. Made several intercepts and tackles in defence.

He provided the assist for Moura's goal.

Despite all of this - all of which is real, actually happened, and will end with Poch,. rightly, thinking Sissoko had a fair game - there's an alternate reality where the usual suspects make the usual bullshit and bizarre claims about his game.

It really is quite bizarre. He's a good average player whose level for us is playing in this type of game unless injuries and form have him in the First 11 where he always does the job Poch asks of him. And yet this irrational, post-truth post reality assessments of what actually took place on the pitch. :ROFLMAO:

We are actually at the stage where people are complaining not because of his actual perfomance (whcih was fair) but because (they claim) he makes other players play worse just by being on the pitch.

You people are nuts. No wonder Poch rolls his eyes...:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

Metalhead

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Does make you wonder about best policy...come out blazing with all the big guns right from the start...go two or three up and then bring them off and put the rest of the squad out to hold what we have or keep them all on the bench in case they are needed to rescue the situation and hope the team is good enough to manage a win...
Great point. Recent experience would point in favour of doing that.
 

Ionman34

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There comes a point when you just have to hold your hands up and give credit where it is due.

Yes we should have won and fairly comfortably...

But well played Rochdale, well played.
 

theShiznit

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Lol - you see it's this type of comment that forces a response.

Sissoko was involved in three of our best moments in the first half. The best when he started a move that ended with him just missing a wonderful Trippier cross by busting a gut to get into the box providing the target Llorente should have been.

He made no critical errors in the match. He kept the ball well and distributed it neatly if unadventurously. Made several intercepts and tackles in defence.

He provided the assist for Moura's goal.

Despite all of this - all of which is real, actually happened, and will end with Poch,. rightly, thinking Sissoko had a fair game - there's an alternate reality where the usual suspects make the usual bullshit and bizarre claims about his game.

It really is quite bizarre. He's a good average player whose level for us is playing in this type of game unless injuries and form have him in the First 11 where he always does the job Poch asks of him. And yet this irrational, post-truth post reality assessments of what actually took place on the pitch. :ROFLMAO:


I think in the main at this level people just expect a player to be able to control the ball at the first attempt not the third or fourth. It's quite frankly ugly to watch and slows down everything that follows however rudimentary.

He's slightly better when facing the play but not much.

Tbh I like a bit more than a functional athlete.

Having said that I don't go out of my way to negatively comment on him.
 

theShiznit

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For a midfielder in that position it is. Do you wanna know why? I will give you 2 guesses as to the answer. Take your time.
Dembele has been robbed multiple times through his over confidence in possession, some in even more dangerous positions than winks today. The only difference being the opposition didn't score.
Does the opposition's inability to score change the level of forgiveness you afford?
 

Phomesy

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I think in the main at this level people just expect a player to be able to control the ball at the first attempt not the third or fourth. It's quite frankly ugly to watch and slows down everything that follows however rudimentary.
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We are talking about this game. Where his control was fine - better, certainly, than Son's; Rose's; Winks'; Llorente's; Wanyama's; and even, God help us; Toby's!

This is what I'm talking about. On this game alone, Sissoko was perfectly decent - I called for him to be subbed for Lamela at half time just because I prefer Lamela and thought we needed him, but it wasn't a huge surprise Poch kept Sissoko on because Sissoko was playing perfectly fine in that low expectation Sissoko way.

And then he got the assist for the goal and made a lot of people look like fuckwits. They don't like looking like fuckwits so they pretend it was the only good thing he did in the game (it wasn't) and that he was shit otherwise (he wasn't).

It's embarrassing watching/reading people pretend an alternate reality. We all agree Sissoko isn't what we hoped or expected. That doesn't mean we have to literally make up fantasies about real shit that just happened. It's just silly.
 

goughie1966

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After Newport I thought it couldn't get much worse but that was a shocking performance today.

To put in context how poor this result is see the following tables below. Points gained are in bold, followed by games played.

Current league position, bottom (granted they've played 4 fewer games than the ones above).

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Home games, table, 2nd bottom:

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Form table, last 6 games, 3rd bottom with 1 win, 0 draws and 5 defeats (sorry make that one draw now)

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Fortunately they're bottom of the away table too so there's still hope for us to get through:

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heelspurs

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Dembele had been robbed multiple times through his over confidence in possession, some in even more dangerous positions than winks today. The only difference being the opposition didn't score.
Does the opposition's inability to score change the level of forgiveness you afford?
Nope, it doesn't. Two wrongs don't make a right however. Dembele has shown time and time again that he can be trusted with the ball in those positions. He has credit in the bank just like when Harry misses a sitter. And when it does happen he usually fouls the player to prevent the break. With a young player you are earning that trust. Do you feel comfortable when Dier receives the ball deep to Liverpool's press? Nope, you don't do you? Because he has shown time and again that he cannot be trusted with it.

Do you think Poch's trust in Winks was dented by that play? I bet you it was. Remember now, he was the first one subbed. There is a time and place to take risks and other occasions to be 100% sure. He failed that test today. I can't remotely understand how people are defending it.
 
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