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WorcesterTHFC

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No I didn't . I was pointing out that having the draw on a Saturday night before two of the games had even been played was ruining tradition just for the sake of BT's money.

This sort of thing is why the FA cup has lost its glamour the same as having the semi-finals at Wembley.
Another reason why the Cup has lost its glamour is the fact that the Sky clubs have almost totally cornered the market. Back in the 1970s and '80s, a pretty wide variety of teams made it to Wembley, and giant-killings in the early rounds were a lot more frequent than they are now. At least that's how it seems to me. The tournament's just too predictable for its own good.
 

Fowl!

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I just counted up myself so could be slightly wrong:

We’ve had 13 different clubs in FA cup finals in the last 10 editions.

Whereas in 10 finals in the 80’s only 11 clubs competed.

So it is in fact more open. Giant killing non league clubs beating top flight clubs remain rare as hens teeth.
 

Gb160

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I just counted up myself so could be slightly wrong:

We’ve had 13 different clubs in FA cup finals in the last 10 editions.

Whereas in 10 finals in the 80’s only 11 clubs competed.

So it is in fact more open. Giant killing non league clubs beating top flight clubs remain rare as hens teeth.
Yep, but the media use 'giant killing' now when a championship side beats a Premier League reserve team.
 

TheChosenOne

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Yep, but the media use 'giant killing' now when a championship side beats a Premier League reserve team.


Was it 1999 when Man U took a gap year from the FA Cup to play in a soppy South American game ?
 

sly1

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Not as low as you think. Even though there are four of each, once a big team comes out of the hat, there are only 3 other big teams compared to 4 others they can draw since they can't get themselves, so there is counter-intuitively a less than 50% chance they play another big team. What's more, as the draw goes on it gets less likely, not more, that the big teams draw each other - as one gets removed each time, the effect the previous factor has increases since you're dealing with 'smaller fractions'.

The first team out has a 4 in 7 chance of a team from the other category to themselves.
The second then has 3 in 5.
Third has 2 in 3.
Fourth has a 1 in 1, or 100% - there's only one team left, after all, and by now we know which category they're from.


The chance of a draw like this, then, where no big teams face each other is (4/7) * (3/5) * (2/3), or just under 23%. Remember also that if the big teams had drawn each other, there's a greater than 50% chance that'd be because we picked out one of the bigger sides, which is obviously a much worse result for us in terms of chances of progressing! A draw like this at this stage in the tournament isn't the best result for us, but it is a fairly good one.

That’s interesting and a good way of working it out.

(I got the same by calculating that there are 105 possible sets of pairings and 24 possible sets of pairings where none of the “big four” meet.

For the 24, you consider the big four as separate pots, and there are 4! ways of placing the other teams in those pots.

For the 105, consider the possible combinations of the 8 teams, 8!, divided by 2^4 to avoid double counting the home and away scenarios, and divided by 4! to avoid double counting scenarios where, say, tie 1 and tie 2 are swapped.)
 

cider spurs

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That’s interesting and a good way of working it out.

(I got the same by calculating that there are 105 possible sets of pairings and 24 possible sets of pairings where none of the “big four” meet.

For the 24, you consider the big four as separate pots, and there are 4! ways of placing the other teams in those pots.

For the 105, consider the possible combinations of the 8 teams, 8!, divided by 2^4 to avoid double counting the home and away scenarios, and divided by 4! to avoid double counting scenarios where, say, tie 1 and tie 2 are swapped.)


You're Carol Vorderman aren't you?.

P please Carol. :D
 

Ionman34

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but VAR was used once in yesterday’s game, when the ball was out of play and due a restart had the goal been awarded.

“Breaking up the flow of the game,” pffft...
 

Saoirse

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That’s interesting and a good way of working it out.

(I got the same by calculating that there are 105 possible sets of pairings and 24 possible sets of pairings where none of the “big four” meet.

For the 24, you consider the big four as separate pots, and there are 4! ways of placing the other teams in those pots.

For the 105, consider the possible combinations of the 8 teams, 8!, divided by 2^4 to avoid double counting the home and away scenarios, and divided by 4! to avoid double counting scenarios where, say, tie 1 and tie 2 are swapped.)
Meanwhile, if you take 24 and raise it to the power of 105, you get the number of shots needed before Llorente is likely to score...
 

SugarRay

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Nonsense, how many contentious decisions has there been in football which have ruined matches throughout the years and refs have been criticised for failing to do their job properly.

This reminds me of the time when people were kicking up a fuss over goal line tech, when the reality is that it's one of the best things to happen to football.

People don't like it at the moment because no one likes change and people love to fucking moan for the sake of moaning, give it a year and I bet we'll be praising VAR once it sorts itself out.

Remember those games a few years back like against Stoke where Chris Foy had a mare or the FA semi against Chelsea where Atkinson awarded that goal and it didn't even cross the line? VAR would have totally corrected those decisions which ends up changing our season.

Things like this can only be a good thing, I don't understand why people can be so against something we've been crying out for for years which is only gonna help the game.

It’s not needed. How the fuck has the game lasted for so long without it??

An adjusted version of VAR may well prove to be a great addition, but it needs a lot of work and personally I just do not see it working when used for so many different situations.

Ironic you’re moaning like an old bint, whilst accusing others of moaning! Pointing out that the game doesn’t NEED VAR, is merely a fact. It’s lasted this long without it hasn’t it? I’m sure if the experiment was cancelled today, the game might go on...

Also, it’s easy to cherry pick the incidents that have supposedly cost us ( impossible to prove obviously ) yet we won’t remember the wrong decisions that went our way.

Goal line tech is completely different. Not open to interpretation and happens immediately. Fantastic and much needed addition
 

cwy21

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Mata was offside. The problem is the incorrect image was supplied to the TV broadcasters which makes people think the VAR used the incorrect image, while he made the decision on the image above. Yes it's close, but if you don't think it should be ruled out, then how far offside does a player need to be for it to be obvious? 2 cm? 5 cm? 10 cm?

IMO VAR is needed for red card tackles. Alli should have been sent off against City. The Rochdale player could have been sent off today. These are the tackles that can break a leg and I think VAR should be used. As for using it for offside, you see one of the biggest issues. VAR will catch the obvious errors, but it will also have to deal with the not-so-obvious ones.
 

Shadydan

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It’s not needed. How the fuck has the game lasted for so long without it??

An adjusted version of VAR may well prove to be a great addition, but it needs a lot of work and personally I just do not see it working when used for so many different situations.

Ironic you’re moaning like an old bint, whilst accusing others of moaning! Pointing out that the game doesn’t NEED VAR, is merely a fact. It’s lasted this long without it hasn’t it? I’m sure if the experiment was cancelled today, the game might go on...

Also, it’s easy to cherry pick the incidents that have supposedly cost us ( impossible to prove obviously ) yet we won’t remember the wrong decisions that went our way.

Goal line tech is completely different. Not open to interpretation and happens immediately. Fantastic and much needed addition

lol This argument is so weak

The game has lasted so long without VAR because we haven't had the technology to implement it, we've been living in the digital age for nearly two decades and there's been an untold amount of contentions decisions that have decided matches that have been deemed incorrect after a replay, we clearly have the technology now so I don't understand why you're so against it.

Yeah in regards to the instances that I've 'cherry picked' I didn't think I needed to make it any more obvious seeing as I'm on a Spurs forum talking to Spurs fans I'm going to use extremes and bias to prove my point, it doesn't make it any less valid whether I use cases which have gone in our favour or against, two wrongs don't make a right so my point still stands, VAR will rid us of all these errors and if it means at Spurs' expense then at least if will be in the interests of fair play.

Yeah obviously it needs work and teething problems are to be expected but lets give it a chance shall we before we write it off, there is absolutely no conceivable reason why anyone would be against this.

p.s go and look up the word moaning and whilst you're there look up the word irony (y)
 

Gb160

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lol This argument is so weak

The game has lasted so long without VAR because we haven't had the technology to implement it, we've been living in the digital age for nearly two decades and there's been an untold amount of contentions decisions that have decided matches that have been deemed incorrect after a replay, we clearly have the technology now so I don't understand why you're so against it.

Yeah in regards to the instances that I've 'cherry picked' I didn't think I needed to make it any more obvious seeing as I'm on a Spurs forum talking to Spurs fans I'm going to use extremes and bias to prove my point, it doesn't make it any less valid whether I use cases which have gone in our favour or against, two wrongs don't make a right so my point still stands, VAR will rid us of all these errors and if it means at Spurs' expense then at least if will be in the interests of fair play.

Yeah obviously it needs work and teething problems are to be expected but lets give it a chance shall we before we write it off, there is absolutely no conceivable reason why anyone would be against this.

p.s go and look up the word moaning and whilst you're there look up the word irony (y)
I'll be stunned if the Premier league implement it for next season.
Of course theres a future for it, but it needs to be a hell of a lot quicker.
Let them keep on testing and improving it in the cups for another season at least.
 

cwy21

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I'll be stunned if the Premier league implement it for next season.

Unless something massive changes, it looks go for launch when IFAB meets in March and makes it official in the laws of the game. It's all but locked in for the World Cup. They can call this a trial, but it was more of an first stage. If it's not in the Premier League next season, it will be the year after.
 

slartibartfast

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Goes back to Newport thread, cuts and pastes previous post of club not giving a shit about FA Cup.
Poor from Poch again.
I just dont get why treat it with such disrespect and then risk bringing on Kane and Alli.
What if Kane had got injured?
Had he not picked such a makeshift team in the first place he wouldnt have been needed.
What a fkin shambles that was. Embarrasing... again.
Feel for those who travelled.... again.
Only good thing to come from that was Moura looks a good buy.
 

Shadydan

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Goes back to Newport thread, cuts and pastes previous post of club not giving a shit about FA Cup.
Poor from Poch again.
I just dont get why treat it with such disrespect and then risk bringing on Kane and Alli.
What if Kane had got injured?
Had he not picked such a makeshift team in the first place he wouldnt have been needed.
What a fkin shambles that was. Embarrasing... again.
Feel for those who travelled.... again.
Only good thing to come from that was Moura looks a good buy.

Bit of a contradiction that.
 

TheChosenOne

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Couple of goodish chances for Wigan but I still think it's gonna be a 4 goal smash and grab by City.
 
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