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Shadydan

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Fucking hell...I'd like to see anyone in that situation straight after a match when your adrenalin and your emotions are high and some dickhead goads you right in front of your face...as if you're not going to react either.

Too many people not dealing with realities here, regardless of how much he earns which is totally irrelevant it's not going to enter his mind.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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Also I'm sure someone has said it already, but imagine if that was Dele who went after a fan. The witch hunt would be insane. Nothing in the papers today. Joke
Apart from The Sun, The Mirror (massive back page headlines), Metro, The Guardian, The Telegraph, The Express, BBC Sport and Sky News.

But the reality is, why would one imagine if it were Dele? Got an agenda to push? I know, I'll just outright tell fibs :D


Joke.
 
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The Scarecrow

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I don't think the fans and pundits understand how much effort goes into these referees being a team. In the Premier League, the refs are split into groups of 3 centers and 5 assistants. They all work together as teams for the entire season. It helps build trust and confidence. It's a big reason why you see the assistant referee calling the PK for Spurs at Anfield and why we probably saw the assistant tell Anthony Taylor today that this was a red card. When these guys work with the same people over and over, you start to work together as three referees and not one ref with his linesmen.
Another aspect to this is the diagonals that referees use:

Positioning+Assistant+Referee+Assistant+Referee.jpg


Basically, the pen vs. Liverpool happened within the linesman's area of jurisdiction, and although the ref always has to make the final desicion, the linesman is expected to have a better view of the incident if it happens within his diagonal. I tried to explain this to the Liverpool fans at work, but they wouldn't listen.
 

1882andallthat

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This competition is now there for the taking. Poch has to go seriously at it provided we get passed Rochdale in the replay. The semi final beckons and we know we can beat anyone at Wembley now. Nobody wants to play us there
I wouldn't quite say that yet, there is still the small matter of Man Utd and Chelsea being in the running, but I get the gist of your point because Man City did represent a huge obstacle that has now been removed, we have eep up our side of the bargain, we still have two teams to beat to get to the Semis and we have been making hard work of getting where we are already, so yes much improvement is needed on our part in this competition if we are to seize this chance but it has presented a good opportunity.
 

spursfan77

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Fucking hell...I'd like to see anyone in that situation straight after a match when your adrenalin and your emotions are high and some dickhead goads you right in front of your face...as if you're not going to react either.

Too many people not dealing with realities here, regardless of how much he earns which is totally irrelevant it's not going to enter his mind.

I don’t think he did anything wrong. He was got at by a few of their fans physically. He doesn’t know if he’s going to get beaten up and tries to defend himself. He probably did the Wigan fan a favour. Imagine the scenes if the fan had hit aguero and laid him out!
 

talkshowhost86

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Looking at the very short piece of footage on the Beeb, I think Aguero's reaction initially is understandable. There's some gobby little scrote shouting in his face and going to push him and Aguero just pushes him back.

It's the way that he goes after him afterwards that might get him in trouble.

It's a tough one because in that situation I suspect that most of us would react in a very similar way, and the amount of money he earns is completely irrelevant for that. But on the other hand the FA have to make it clear that reacting to fans isn't acceptable, particularly physically, so it'll be interesting to see what they do.

Wigan need to get a fairly serious punishment as well because they allowed that situation, which was potentially very dangerous for the players, to happen.
 

spurs mental

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Except it is in the papers, also the BBC website but no, keep on playing the victim card.

Fucking hell calm down. It was 6am when I posted that. I had flicked through all the morning papers and hadnt seen anything made of it then. Maybe since then it's gone bigger.

Not playing the victim card. This would be even bigger if it was Dele as well.
 

yankspurs

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Looking at the very short piece of footage on the Beeb, I think Aguero's reaction initially is understandable. There's some gobby little scrote shouting in his face and going to push him and Aguero just pushes him back.

It's the way that he goes after him afterwards that might get him in trouble.

It's a tough one because in that situation I suspect that most of us would react in a very similar way, and the amount of money he earns is completely irrelevant for that. But on the other hand the FA have to make it clear that reacting to fans isn't acceptable, particularly physically, so it'll be interesting to see what they do.

Wigan need to get a fairly serious punishment as well because they allowed that situation, which was potentially very dangerous for the players, to happen.
Both City and Wign ahould get punished for the post match. Wigan for the invasion, Cuty for the fans throwing shit that ended up hitting the police.

Pep should get a hefty punishment. Going after Wigan’s manager then the match officials like that.

Aguero will likely escape from any punishment. The chasing after the fan could be easily explained away and defended by City. Will be hard to prove anything as to what, if anything, instigated it one way or the other. So i wouldnt be surprised if the FA leaves it alone
 

WiganSpur

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So only 3 of the top 6 left in it now. Knowing us we'll get that best of the rest side in the semi and get turned over.
 

Indacupfortottenham

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This could be our year! We are capable of beating anyone on our day at Wembley.
Please let it be our year we haven’t won it since 1991, our last major trophy was 1991!
Please let this be our year.
 

slartibartfast

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I want them to have hope, maybe even get cocky with an easy run up, but only to have it dashed against the wall, like the runs hitting porcelain.

Not because I don't like them, just to demonstrate to them that you can pay millions upon millions but it makes no difference in the 90 minutes that count on the pitch.
You cant be serious?
Of course it makes a massive difference.
Look at Chelsea and Man Citys trophy haul prior to money and then after.
Man Us trophy haul when they were spending way more than anyone else.
Its not a coincidence the order of top highest paying clubs is normally almost the same as end of season league table.
Anyone who says money doesnt matter is either deluded or a fan of one of these clubs and trying to kid themselves as well as everyone else.
 

Metalhead

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You cant be serious?
Of course it makes a massive difference.
Look at Chelsea and Man Citys trophy haul prior to money and then after.
Man Us trophy haul when they were spending way more than anyone else.
Its not a coincidence the order of top highest paying clubs is normally almost the same as end of season league table.
Anyone who says money doesnt matter is either deluded or a fan of one of these clubs and trying to kid themselves as well as everyone else.
Money is not a guarantee but it does matter, that's for sure.
 

Rocksuperstar

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You cant be serious?
Of course it makes a massive difference.
Look at Chelsea and Man Citys trophy haul prior to money and then after.
Man Us trophy haul when they were spending way more than anyone else.
Its not a coincidence the order of top highest paying clubs is normally almost the same as end of season league table.
Anyone who says money doesnt matter is either deluded or a fan of one of these clubs and trying to kid themselves as well as everyone else.

And on the day, all of them millions are undone by 90 minutes of hard work by Wigan. So my point stands - you can pour millions, billions if you like, into the team, but it can all go to shit at the last hurdle just the same. I want them to understand that over the attitude of we pay the most, we should win the most - that's not how a competitive sport works.
 

archiewasking

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And on the day, all of them millions are undone by 90 minutes of hard work by Wigan. So my point stands - you can pour millions, billions if you like, into the team, but it can all go to shit at the last hurdle just the same. I want them to understand that over the attitude of we pay the most, we should win the most - that's not how a competitive sport works.

It can all fall down, yes, but the biggest spenders are the current top 4. 99 times out of 100 Wigan get stuffed by City. If we were to go to a car racing circuit and I had a brand new Ferrari, because I could afford it, and you had a brand new Renault Clio, as that was all you could afford, unless I broke down - like City last night - you haven't got a hope in hell of beating me round there.
 

UncleBuck

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I still don’t get the sending off debate, straight red all day long whether the ref pulled out the wrong card initially or not.
This is from Kevin Kilbane on the bbc website:
Fabian Delph did go in a bit recklessly on Max Power and he was slightly out of control, but I think he was unlucky to be sent off.

So, he admits it was reckless and out of control therefore he’s totally contradicted himself.
Shin high, studs up with afters as well, one of the clearest reds I’ve seen in a long time.
 

Riandor

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And on the day, all of them millions are undone by 90 minutes of hard work by Wigan. So my point stands - you can pour millions, billions if you like, into the team, but it can all go to shit at the last hurdle just the same. I want them to understand that over the attitude of we pay the most, we should win the most - that's not how a competitive sport works.
Apart from the fact that other than the odd exception, that is how it works.
Man City are out of one competition, sure, but they have all but won 2 and stand a good chance of a third still.
Is that performance or money?Well both, because the more money you have the more you can buy performance... but yes, in a one off, anything can happen.
 

Indacupfortottenham

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It can all fall down, yes, but the biggest spenders are the current top 4. 99 times out of 100 Wigan get stuffed by City. If we were to go to a car racing circuit and I had a brand new Ferrari, because I could afford it, and you had a brand new Renault Clio, as that was all you could afford, unless I broke down - like City last night - you haven't got a hope in hell of beating me round there.


Sorry mate I don’t get that analogy.
Football is not that clear cut, talent is so important but it also has a lot to do with tactics, desire, who wants it more and how much effort is applied.
 
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Marty

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So only 3 of the top 6 left in it now. Knowing us we'll get that best of the rest side in the semi and get turned over.
Leicester is the side I'd least like to face of all those left in the cup. Nothing to rest players for, no distractions, they can go 100% for the cup. They have to beat Chelsea first but I think they've got a really good chance.
 
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