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Basil Brush

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Because I don’t see Poch uprooting from Spurs to move to Man United. It honestly doesn’t concern me in the least.
Maybe Southampton fans didn't see him moving either. Or his clubs before that.

I hope he stays but unless you know him personally, you never know.

One thing is Man U can offer him a much larger salary and transfer budget. Those 2 factors alone would be hard to knock back.
 
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I’m not at all concerned about that whether they come for him or not.
It’s naive to think he wouldn’t consider it. He’s spoken about his admiration for Ferguson before.

Generally I’m not worried about him leaving before we move into the stadium, but he’s definitely changed his tune this season in how he’s talking about the future. Last year, it was all, “I’d be happy to be here for 10 years.” This season it’s all, “in football you never know the future”.
 

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I don't think salary is an issue with Poch & Spurs simply because the manager's salary is (presumably) outside of our wage structure and I think Levy would be prepared to match whatever United could offer.

Pep and Jose are on c. £15m a year. That's less than Spurs spend on transfer fees for the likes of Aurier, Moura or Janssen, and you also have to add player wages over time to those transfer fees to get total spend on the player.

In other words, making Poch the best paid manager in England is like making a mid-ranking transfer payment every year. In context, and given what you get in return, it's peanuts.
 

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Would Man U like him to build a team like Fergy did or Poch is doing at Spurs right now? I don't think the owners would give him time to do that and I'm not sure MP would just buy top players and make them into a team. That would make him no different to Pep.
He's always said about his project with us and IMVHO that means a lot more to him.
 

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Maybe Southampton fans didn't see him moving either. Or his clubs before that.

I hope he stays but unless you know him personally, you never know.

One thing is Man U can offer him a much larger salary and transfer budget. Those 2 factors alone would be hard to knock back.

But would they give him the time he wants to build a team/legacy. I think Poch wants to be known for building a program and taking it to the top. Southampton sold his players out from under him. If Levy can commit the money to keep the players, I don't think Poch wants to leave. He is about a "Project" which is not complete. I think he is enjoying starting to take down the big boys slowly but surely.
 

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But would they give him the time he wants to build a team/legacy. I think Poch wants to be known for building a program and taking it to the top. Southampton sold his players out from under him. If Levy can commit the money to keep the players, I don't think Poch wants to leave. He is about a "Project" which is not complete. I think he is enjoying starting to take down the big boys slowly but surely.
Let's hope you are right.

I have my doubts, mainly because i am so nervous about losing him as per below.

I was talking to another lifelong Spurs fan today and we both agreed Poch is the best thing to happen to Spurs in our lifetime (last 40 years).
 

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It’s naive to think he wouldn’t consider it. He’s spoken about his admiration for Ferguson before.

Generally I’m not worried about him leaving before we move into the stadium, but he’s definitely changed his tune this season in how he’s talking about the future. Last year, it was all, “I’d be happy to be here for 10 years.” This season it’s all, “in football you never know the future”.

Sure...he's mentioned his admiration for Ferguson, but has he mentioned his admiration for Man United? Couldn't it be that he wants to emulate Ferguson at Tottenham?
 

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Maybe Southampton fans didn't see him moving either. Or his clubs before that.

I hope he stays but unless you know him personally, you never know.

One thing is Man U can offer him a much larger salary and transfer budget. Those 2 factors alone would be hard to knock back.

Then they shouldn't have forced out Cortese and pulled the rug out from under Poch by selling so many of their best players and not even bothering to replace them. There's really no valid correlation between the reasons for his leaving Southampton and his current situation at Spurs.

Of course we can't know for certain whether he would leave or not, but you could say that about literally every manager and player in the world. There's no use in speculating on all of that, in my opinion. There should be hard facts to back up that speculation - not just the hand-wringing of pessimistic fans.

As for transfer budget at Man United, there's nothing to indicate that that's how Poch works (i.e. he wants massive transfer budgets to bring in big stars). In fact, there's evidence to the contrary.
 

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Why? There is a very good possibility that he could take it.

Actually, there's a 100% possibility that he *could* take a Man United job. Whether he *would* or not...that's a different matter. And I personally don't think it's worth losing any sleep over.
 

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Then they shouldn't have forced out Cortese and pulled the rug out from under Poch by selling so many of their best players and not even bothering to replace them. There's really no valid correlation between the reasons for his leaving Southampton and his current situation at Spurs.

Of course we can't know for certain whether he would leave or not, but you could say that about literally every manager and player in the world. There's no use in speculating on all of that, in my opinion. There should be hard facts to back up that speculation - not just the hand-wringing of pessimistic fans.

As for transfer budget at Man United, there's nothing to indicate that that's how Poch works (i.e. he wants massive transfer budgets to bring in big stars). In fact, there's evidence to the contrary.
Ok fair points.

Worst case scenario, we lose Kane and Alderweireld in the next window (due to circumstances beyond our control), could you not see Poch doing the same as he did at Southhampton.

I hope Poch stays, i hope Kane stays, i hope Toby stays.

However, we spurs fans know what can happen to best players (and then possibly managers).

In my view that is not "pessimistic" as you say, but realistic.
 

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Ok fair points.

Worst case scenario, we lose Kane and Alderweireld in the next window (due to circumstances beyond our control), could you not see Poch doing the same as he did at Southhampton.

I hope Poch stays, i hope Kane stays, i hope Toby stays.

However, we spurs fans know what can happen to best players (and then possibly managers).

In my view that is not "pessimistic" as you say, but realistic.
It's not realistic if you actually read what Poch and Kane have said recently. Clearly both want to stay long term.
 

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It's not realistic if you actually read what Poch and Kane have said recently. Clearly both want to stay long term.
It is not the thread for it at this point, but we all know what players and managers say.

Even you may be realistic enough to understand that.
 

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Maybe Southampton fans didn't see him moving either.
Very different circumstance. There are a lot of clubs that are bigger than Soton. There are only a handful of clubs in the world that are bigger than Spurs.

If I were looking at teams where Poch might be tempted, I would discount all German and Italian clubs - he has no ties there.

That leaves the Spanish giants, Barcelona and Madrid. Maybe Atletico, but realistically that is a sideways move, since they will always be chasing the money behind Barcelona and Madrid. Barcelona would probably be ideal for Poch, except for the fact that Espanyol hate Barça, so that leaves Madrid as the most likely Spansih side. And, even then, Madrid is a short-term job, and I don't think Poch is ready for that lifestyle, nor are his coaches.

PSG is a viable option for Poch, ties to the team, well funded, and could see them give him the time to build a legacy.

Of the English teams, Arsenal are out, Liverpool unlikely, as a sideways move. That leaves Chelsea, and the two Manchester clubs. If I had to rank them, it would be: Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea.

Overall:
Manchester United
Manchester City
PSG
Chelsea



Real Madrid
Liverpool
Atletico
 

Basil Brush

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Very different circumstance. There are a lot of clubs that are bigger than Soton. There are only a handful of clubs in the world that are bigger than Spurs.

If I were looking at teams where Poch might be tempted, I would discount all German and Italian clubs - he has no ties there.

That leaves the Spanish giants, Barcelona and Madrid. Maybe Atletico, but realistically that is a sideways move, since they will always be chasing the money behind Barcelona and Madrid. Barcelona would probably be ideal for Poch, except for the fact that Espanyol hate Barça, so that leaves Madrid as the most likely Spansih side. And, even then, Madrid is a short-term job, and I don't think Poch is ready for that lifestyle, nor are his coaches.

PSG is a viable option for Poch, ties to the team, well funded, and could see them give him the time to build a legacy.

Of the English teams, Arsenal are out, Liverpool unlikely, as a sideways move. That leaves Chelsea, and the two Manchester clubs. If I had to rank them, it would be: Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea.

Overall:
Manchester United
Manchester City
PSG
Chelsea



Real Madrid
Liverpool
Atletico
Still 4 clubs that are likely.

Best we move this to the "Poch" thread.

Any help moving these posts @mods?
 

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Still 4 clubs that are likely.

Best we move this to the "Poch" thread.

Any help moving these posts @mods?

Done.

My tuppence worth on it...

Poch wouldn't have left Southampton if they hadn't shafted Cortese the way they did. As long he and Daniel are on the same page we're good, no matter who comes in for him.
 
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Basil Brush

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Done.

My tuppence worth on it...

Poch wouldn't have left Southampton if they hadn't shafted Cortese the way they did. As long he and Daniel are on the same page we're good, no matter who comes in for him.
Thank you for moving it.

I tend to agree with your points but i am a nervous fan.

I am even worried about Kane atm (but that is for another thread;) )
 

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Done.

My tuppence worth on it...

Poch wouldn't have left Southampton if they hadn't shafted Cortese the way they did. As long he and Daniel are on the same page we're good, no matter who comes in for him.

Yeah...sorry for loading up the other thread with the Poch talk.

I completely agree on your last points. There's a better than 50% chance that Poch would still be at Southampton if their owners hadn't forced out Cortese, then followed with the firesale of their best players. As for Levy, I also agree - it seems they're on the same page, and as long as that relationship remains I can't see Poch advocating for a move elsewhere. He's in the process of building a legacy at a club that has the means to achieve great things.
 
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