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Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

Hengy1

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Starting to sound like when walker was going and suddenly every excuse under the sun starting coming out to make it better.

Trippier being better was the funniest.

What ever way you dress this up it’s a massive blow to us setting a bad precedent which could see us fall away from out rivals.
 

Frozen_Waffles

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Starting to sound like when walker was going and suddenly every excuse under the sun starting coming out to make it better.

Trippier being better was the funniest.

What ever way you dress this up it’s a massive blow to us setting a bad precedent which could see us fall away from out rivals.

To be honest, I am still a fan of Trippier though he is not as good as Walker. But personally I am glad we don't have to watch those brain farts anymore, not surprised in the least at what happened in the Wigan game.

With Toby it, like Walker would be sad to see him go, but paying him 30% more than our star striker is going to cause us problems. At a guess he has 4/5 years left at the top level the way we play and with his injuries possibly 2/3.

I want him to stay, but if he doesn't want to stay or wants to much or a buy out clause, then I would take one more season and look to have foyth ready for 2019-2020

Not ideal but no one is bigger than the club. On a side note I am not sure why anyone would want to leave Spurs atm.
 

Jamturk

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All these great players and their wage demands, although doing well still yet to win anything. Let him go and win something and get paid while we keep developing Davinson.
 

Trix

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Starting to sound like when walker was going and suddenly every excuse under the sun starting coming out to make it better.

Trippier being better was the funniest.

What ever way you dress this up it’s a massive blow to us setting a bad precedent which could see us fall away from out rivals.

How do you mean? Enic have always sold the players that made it clear they want to leave(Berbatov, Carrick, Modric, Bale, Walker, Keane). Every time this happens the same thing gets said. Bad precedent, weaker squad blah blah blah, yet here we are with the best squad we have had for over 50 years.

If he goes he goes, we haven't missed him much this season imo, and 20 year old Sanchez will have year Prem experience under his belt.

It's about team strength not individuals, and I am very confident that what ever happens with Toby(I expect him to go), we will be a stronger TEAM come the close of the Summer window.
 

Hengy1

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To be honest, I am still a fan of Trippier though he is not as good as Walker. But personally I am glad we don't have to watch those brain farts anymore, not surprised in the least at what happened in the Wigan game.

With Toby it, like Walker would be sad to see him go, but paying him 30% more than our star striker is going to cause us problems. At a guess he has 4/5 years left at the top level the way we play and with his injuries possibly 2/3.

I want him to stay, but if he doesn't want to stay or wants to much or a buy out clause, then I would take one more season and look to have foyth ready for 2019-2020

Not ideal but no one is bigger than the club. On a side note I am not sure why anyone would want to leave Spurs atm.
Walker may have 1 “brain fart” every 10 games or so buy was/is a far superior player.

My point is though like the walker situation all I’m seeing is excuse after excuse to try and justify us selling arguably the best CB in the league.

I suppose I was hoping we had changed from the selling club we was in the past but guess not.

Obviously we’ll get the deflection from certain posters though.

Shame
 

Hengy1

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How do you mean? Enic have always sold the players that made it clear they want to leave(Berbatov, Carrick, Modric, Bale, Walker, Keane). Every time this happens the same thing gets said. Bad precedent, weaker squad blah blah blah, yet here we are with the best squad we have had for over 50 years.

If he goes he goes, we haven't missed him much this season imo, and 20 year old Sanchez will have year Prem experience under his belt.

It's about team strength not individuals, and I am very confident that what ever happens with Toby(I expect him to go), we will be a stronger TEAM come the close of the Summer window.
Haven’t missed him even though we take less points without him in the team.

Like I say the usual deflection from certain posters trying to justify it (y)
 

stevenurse

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It's no surprise things haven't been sorted yet. There was hinting by those that may be privy to the information that we are planning to up the contracts of players at the end of the season.

Kane will probably be our first 200k a week player and Toby either wants to steal a march on that, or wait and see what his agent can do for him in line with our top earners.

Since Sol the club has been generally very good with contracts and if he doesn't sign, expect a big fee this summer. Toby is one of my favourite players and I'd hate to see him leave but I can't think the club are being overly tight with him.

After all he's had 3 years earning a third of what he's worth to us. The club owe him in my opinion.
 

coy-spurs1882

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It's no surprise things haven't been sorted yet. There was hinting by those that may be privy to the information that we are planning to up the contracts of players at the end of the season.

Kane will probably be our first 200k a week player and Toby either wants to steal a march on that, or wait and see what his agent can do for him in line with our top earners.

Since Sol the club has been generally very good with contracts and if he doesn't sign, expect a big fee this summer. Toby is one of my favourite players and I'd hate to see him leave but I can't think the club are being overly tight with him.

After all he's had 3 years earning a third of what he's worth to us. The club owe him in my opinion.
the club owe him? come on, there was mutual agreement when he signed the contract to join us.
from another aspect, the team hasn't won anything for the club. bring glory to the club and i think the club would be happy to fulfill their demands
 

SugarRay

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Would be gutted to lose him but it’s a testament to how far we’ve come that it wouldn’t rip the team apart if he does go.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we sorted the contract situations out st the end of the season and he stays though. Media scaremongering.

Remember, Ozil was 100% gone only a few weeks ago. They don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes most of the time.
 

Frozen_Waffles

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Walker may have 1 “brain fart” every 10 games or so buy was/is a far superior player.

My point is though like the walker situation all I’m seeing is excuse after excuse to try and justify us selling arguably the best CB in the league.

I suppose I was hoping we had changed from the selling club we was in the past but guess not.

Obviously we’ll get the deflection from certain posters though.

Shame

I suppose the justification is that he doesn't want to sign a new contract, or wants too much, at the end of the day.

We have got to where we are by not caving in to demands.

Also my personal opinion but both this season and last season Jan has been the superior player and he is the best CB at the club, let alone the league.
 

Hengy1

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don't think you should neglect the absence of wanyama
Off course but the overriding factor is Toby missing.

Like I say if he goes he goes and life goes on but with our players seeing walker lift a league Trophy this season and then us possibly selling Toby if he goes and picks up a trophy then surely it’ll be only logical other like Eriksen & Kane will starting thinking what’s best for them.
 

stevenurse

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the club owe him? come on, there was mutual agreement when he signed the contract to join us.
from another aspect, the team hasn't won anything for the club. bring glory to the club and i think the club would be happy to fulfill their demands

Whilst I agree to an extent, that is the same reasoning that other clubs fans use to degrade us, despite our drastic improvement in the last 3 years. To purely base 'glory' on trophies is short sighted and im glad the club seemingly agree.

To go from where the club was, to twice legitimately challenging for the league and with consecutive CL qualification, with perhaps a 3rd year is better than finishing 8th but chucking in the odd league Cup. In my opinion anyway.

The club is about half way through a project to get to the point of sustainability challenging without the tag of 'overachieving'. All the players deserve credit for such a dramatic transformation in a short timeframe.
 

rocklink

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To be honest, I am still a fan of Trippier though he is not as good as Walker. But personally I am glad we don't have to watch those brain farts anymore, not surprised in the least at what happened in the Wigan game.

With Toby it, like Walker would be sad to see him go, but paying him 30% more than our star striker is going to cause us problems. At a guess he has 4/5 years left at the top level the way we play and with his injuries possibly 2/3.

I want him to stay, but if he doesn't want to stay or wants to much or a buy out clause, then I would take one more season and look to have foyth ready for 2019-2020

Not ideal but no one is bigger than the club. On a side note I am not sure why anyone would want to leave Spurs atm.

Didn't you watch aurier's brain fart moment?
 

MarkyP

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It's no surprise things haven't been sorted yet. There was hinting by those that may be privy to the information that we are planning to up the contracts of players at the end of the season.

Kane will probably be our first 200k a week player and Toby either wants to steal a march on that, or wait and see what his agent can do for him in line with our top earners.

Since Sol the club has been generally very good with contracts and if he doesn't sign, expect a big fee this summer. Toby is one of my favourite players and I'd hate to see him leave but I can't think the club are being overly tight with him.

After all he's had 3 years earning a third of what he's worth to us. The club owe him in my opinion.


If I had to take a punt as to the reason why he hasn't signed, then that would be my guess.
He seems to be in a unique position with his reputed "clause" - so he may have more leverage than others in terms of demands.

At the same time, what's the point of him signing a contract at the start of the season, or now for say £80k a week, if he knows there is chance of him earning say £120k a week after Kane et al get their shiny new contracts in the summer.

From the clubs point of view as well, why pay him an extra £50/60k a week now? when they can wait until the end of the season to do it and save the money in the interim.
 

rocklink

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How do you mean? Enic have always sold the players that made it clear they want to leave(Berbatov, Carrick, Modric, Bale, Walker, Keane). Every time this happens the same thing gets said. Bad precedent, weaker squad blah blah blah, yet here we are with the best squad we have had for over 50 years.

If he goes he goes, we haven't missed him much this season imo, and 20 year old Sanchez will have year Prem experience under his belt.

It's about team strength not individuals, and I am very confident that what ever happens with Toby(I expect him to go), we will be a stronger TEAM come the close of the Summer window.

What will we do when come next season eriksen wants to go? May be eriksen will be absent for couple of games, we won those games and eriksen wants a huge pay rise, we don't want to give the wage he demands and finally he demanded to be sold .. So we will sell him .. same excuse has happened for walker, is happening for toby now and will be happening for kane, eriksen and others ... Isn't it?
 

King of Otters

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How do you mean? Enic have always sold the players that made it clear they want to leave(Berbatov, Carrick, Modric, Bale, Walker, Keane). Every time this happens the same thing gets said. Bad precedent, weaker squad blah blah blah, yet here we are with the best squad we have had for over 50 years.

If he goes he goes, we haven't missed him much this season imo, and 20 year old Sanchez will have year Prem experience under his belt.

It's about team strength not individuals, and I am very confident that what ever happens with Toby(I expect him to go), we will be a stronger TEAM come the close of the Summer window.

And yet we'd be stronger still if we kept hold of the best centre back in the league.

I don't really see how anyone can defend a policy of selling our best players, though I'm not surprised to see you do so.
 

coy-spurs1882

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Whilst I agree to an extent, that is the same reasoning that other clubs fans use to degrade us, despite our drastic improvement in the last 3 years. To purely base 'glory' on trophies is short sighted and im glad the club seemingly agree.

To go from where the club was, to twice legitimately challenging for the league and with consecutive CL qualification, with perhaps a 3rd year is better than finishing 8th but chucking in the odd league Cup. In my opinion anyway.

The club is about half way through a project to get to the point of sustainability challenging without the tag of 'overachieving'. All the players deserve credit for such a dramatic transformation in a short timeframe.

i agree that it is short-sighted to purely base 'glory' on trophies, but players do not share the same concept of time i'm afraid.

the club may plan for the next decade, while players may plan for only, say 3 years. they would want glory, i.e. trophies now and it is understandable. CL qualification versus a FA cup or League Cup has been a heated debate and i think every player would have their own answer if they have to choose one. perhaps money would be another temptation for them to commit, but as things stand we need a sugar daddy to pay what the players want without considering the club's financial position.

hope the club (levy and poch) can show him our ambition and persuade him to sign the contract. it doesn't seem that he wants out as he agreed to sign before his agent moved the goalposts. i don't know he is reliable or not, but a freelance football reporter called Marc Benamram wrote on twitter that both sides are still calm and willing to negotiate to reach an agreement, which is different to the situation of walker last year.
 

Jimmypearce7

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To be honest, I am still a fan of Trippier though he is not as good as Walker. But personally I am glad we don't have to watch those brain farts anymore, not surprised in the least at what happened in the Wigan game.

With Toby it, like Walker would be sad to see him go, but paying him 30% more than our star striker is going to cause us problems. At a guess he has 4/5 years left at the top level the way we play and with his injuries possibly 2/3.

I want him to stay, but if he doesn't want to stay or wants to much or a buy out clause, then I would take one more season and look to have foyth ready for 2019-2020

Not ideal but no one is bigger than the club. On a side note I am not sure why anyone would want to leave Spurs atm.

Toby is the best defender in Europe. Sell him and we make ourselves weak and give up on the best team we have had in 50 years.

Good luck to Foyth but thinking he could be as good as Toby is the most optimistic thing I’ve heard. Let’s not delude ourselves.
 
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