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Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

Trix

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There is no way anybody could justify selling toby. End of discussion ... I am sure within one or two years we will hear the same justification and logic for selling eriksen, dele, kane .. go and save this post ...

Right, close the thread!!!
 

Hengy1

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You say there are some of us that just keep justifying decisions to keep unhappy players. I say there are others that just predict constant doom and gloom.

We do no different than any other club when it comes to players that want out, yet you make out Levy is the problem. Laughable really.
No I say there’s some that will do there upmost to deflect everything when some bad happens away from the management and onto the player.

Now that’s laughable (y)
 

spursfan77

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29, peak years as a centre back the next five. 150k for the next five years is a no brainer in my view. The only thing is the club may know something about his injury which on one else does. 80 million this summer or 25 next summer are the other options. we will not get an upgrade.

Thats £39 million over 5 years on wages for a depreciating asset with no resale value. Thats how the club will be looking at it.

I completely agree that we should offer him more and that it would cost as much to sign as good a player as a replacement. But again, I suspect the club will have looked at that.

They've a much better idea of what they are doing than any of us or any journo for that matter.
 

HildoSpur

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If Toby wants to go then let him go - he has been fantastic for us but imho Vertonghen is the most important defender we have at the club and as long as we keep Jan we will be fine. Foyth looks like he is capable of making the step up.
 

Trix

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Are you saying he's unhappy currently? Doesn't seem to be and his social media/PR team aren't giving that impression, although I guess the more he seems committed, the more the uproar.

In fairness, to over double his wages, and heavily incentivise like many of the other contracts are, isn't a terrible deal. Yes he could earn more elsewhere but literally 95% of players could if they went to China etc.

He's settled, playing with his mates and with the best training facilities, possibly stadium in the country, with an ambitious squad. I think anyone would be mad to leave now but I guess I would say that!

Why do people think it's only ever a case of throwing money at a problem to make it go away.
 

SEANSPURS1975

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Let’s not sugarcoat it, losing Toby Alderweireld is an absolute disaster for this football club on many levels.
All over him reportedly wanting £150k per week. If we are not prepared to pay a player of his quality this wage then we are truly fucked.
One of, if not THE best centre back in the league.
If we end up selling one of our top players to a rival again(for the second season running) that would be nothing short of a disgrace.
We now have to show intent as a club that we can keep our best players.
We’ll probably get the usual PR from the club about Pochettino happy for him to go, value for money for his age etc. All bollocks.
We are never going to win anything if we keep selling our best players.
It really is that simple.
 

HildoSpur

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Let’s not sugarcoat it, losing Toby Alderweireld is an absolute disaster for this football club on many levels.
All over him reportedly wanting £150k per week. If we are not prepared to pay a player of his quality this wage then we are truly fucked.
One of, if not THE best centre back in the league.
If we end up selling one of our top players to a rival again(for the second season running) that would be nothing short of a disgrace.
We now have to show intent as a club that we can keep our best players.
We’ll probably get the usual PR from the club about Pochettino happy for him to go, value for money for his age etc. All bollocks.
We are never going to win anything if we keep selling our best players.
It really is that simple.

Keeping an unhappy player would also be a disaster for the club - let him go if he wants to go.
 

spursfan77

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Let’s not sugarcoat it, losing Toby Alderweireld is an absolute disaster for this football club on many levels.
All over him reportedly wanting £150k per week. If we are not prepared to pay a player of his quality this wage then we are truly fucked.
One of, if not THE best centre back in the league.
If we end up selling one of our top players to a rival again(for the second season running) that would be nothing short of a disgrace.
We now have to show intent as a club that we can keep our best players.
We’ll probably get the usual PR from the club about Pochettino happy for him to go, value for money for his age etc. All bollocks.
We are never going to win anything if we keep selling our best players.
It really is that simple.

Keeping an unhappy player would also be a disaster for the club - let him go if he wants to go.

Ive agreed with both of these. It really is a difficult situation!
 

thebenjamin

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This is what Pochettino said when asked about Toby in January:

“This is a message for our fans and for everyone: Toby still has two-and-a-half years of contract. Daniel Levy said to me: ‘Don’t worry, gaffer. It’s two and a half years.’ It’s not only to say the club needs to do this and this. Calm. Calm, our fans. Because Daniel is very good. He has managed the club for 17 or 18 years. Look at how Tottenham was 18 years ago and how it is today. I think full credit to Daniel. Let him work. It is important the fans trust in Daniel.”

Is that a manager saying he's happy to lose this player?
 

mark87

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We did with carrack, berba and most recently walker.

I’m sure if Madrid & united came we’d sell to Madrid but if just united did then he’d go

Carrick only wanted to go to united, berbatov only wanted to go to United, despite man city offering more money. And only city were after walker.

It'll be different if Toby says he only wants to stay in England and my point was i hope this is not the case and he wants to go abroad.
 
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There is nothing to justify. If he wants to leave that badly he will leave. You say it sets a bad precedent, but the fact is its nothing new, and it's nothing different to how any of our rivals act to a player that want out. Contract length and squad harmony are the key factors. Not us looking weak, or setting "bad precedents."

Like I said it's all about the team and everyone pulling in the same direction. Not about keeping unhappy individuals.
But Trix, surely it's about the REASON he may want to leave; why he's unhappy. If it's because he believes he's not being paid the market rate for a defender of his ability, then you can understand if other players start to think similarly, and question if the club values them. So in that sense, it absolutely sets a "bad precedent". And if our other top players our looking on at the club's reluctance/refusal to pay the best centre back in the league what he's worth, especially at a time when revenues are increasing massively, isn't that just as likely to adversely affect "squad harmony"?
 

Hengy1

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Carrick only wanted to go to united, berbatov only wanted to go to United, despite man city offering more money. And only city were after walker.

It'll be different if Toby says he only wants to stay in England and my point was i hope this is not the case and he wants to go abroad.
I doubt Toby cares where he goes as long as they are in a chance of winning trophies and gets the wage he deserves
 

WalkerboyUK

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Toby has missed some of the biggest results of our season through injury.
The bonus to his absence is that Sanchez has seen an incredible amount of playing time, allowing him to develop partnerships with those around him. Sure, he's looked a bit clumsy at times, but he's young and is new to the league.
What would have happened it Toby hadn't been injured, still wanted out due to wages or whatever, and we hadn't been able to develop Sanchez so quickly???

Yes, Toby is a massive player for us, but if he wants to go, let him go.
It doesn't necessarily make us a "selling club" and it doesn't necessarily send out a negative message about us to the rest of the league.

As @spursfan77 said, £150k per week is the best part of £40 million over the next 5 years.
Say he signs that but in 3 years wants to leave - at the age he will be, would we get back the money that was invested in him???
 

MarkyP

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Toby is the best defender in Europe. Sell him and we make ourselves weak and give up on the best team we have had in 50 years.

Good luck to Foyth but thinking he could be as good as Toby is the most optimistic thing I’ve heard. Let’s not delude ourselves.

We could all of have said the same about Kane when he was 19...
 

SEANSPURS1975

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Keeping an unhappy player would also be a disaster for the club - let him go if he wants to go.

Who says he’s unhappy? Nothing being said anywhere that he’s unhappy.
He wants to be paid a certain wage.
If we pay it he stays.
From the figures being reported we should be paying it.
 
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