Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

Trix · Feb 23, 2018

Hengy1 said:
No I say there’s some that will do there upmost to deflect everything when some bad happens away from the management and onto the player.

Now that’s laughable

Take a look back, I have posted plenty of negatives towards Levy, Poch and Enic in the past. I just don't blame them when they aren't to blame.

Toby has had a contract on the table for a long long time. He's not rejected it, nor from what I am aware made any real steps to negotiate it. I am very much of the opinion this has nothing to do with money.

Look back to the Summer, I took exactly the same allegations from posters regarding Walker when I said he wanted out, even though he was making noises it wasn't down to him. Guess what most of the time the players and agents are too savy to just come out and tell the truth.

It's not over yet anyway, but my opinion is he will go, and his contract gives us very little wiggle room

Archibald Leitch · Feb 23, 2018

thebenjamin said:
This is what Pochettino said when asked about Toby in January:

“This is a message for our fans and for everyone: Toby still has two-and-a-half years of contract. Daniel Levy said to me: ‘Don’t worry, gaffer. It’s two and a half years.’ It’s not only to say the club needs to do this and this. Calm. Calm, our fans. Because Daniel is very good. He has managed the club for 17 or 18 years. Look at how Tottenham was 18 years ago and how it is today. I think full credit to Daniel. Let him work. It is important the fans trust in Daniel.”

Is that a manager saying he's happy to lose this player?

That may have been Poch's view back in Jan, but things can easily change. I'm sure Walker was front and centre of Poch's plans right up to the day he said he wanted out.

mark87 · Feb 23, 2018

Hengy1 said:
I doubt Toby cares where he goes as long as they are in a chance of winning trophies and gets the wage he deserves

I'm sure he has a preference on where he wants to go, he's not exactly gonna cover his eyes and randomly point at a club from a potential five clubs or whatever.

thebenjamin · Feb 23, 2018

The really mad thing about all this is why we gave him a release clause in the first place. Given he was unwanted by Atletico and the only other club bidding was Southampton, he was hardly in a position of strength.

SpursD22 · Feb 23, 2018

King of Otters said:
He’s the best centre back in the league ffs. If we sell him the year after selling Walker then what type of message does that send out to Kane, Eriksen et al?

I’ve always said that Vertonghen is the best CB in the league

Hakkz · Feb 23, 2018

I'm guessing a part of it is the fact that his market value has tripled/quadrupled/whatever since he joined us. Toby's agent (maybe Toby himself) might try to take advantage of it financially as well as getting to a top club.

If they are going to behave like idiots then I'd prefer to look at other options. JV deserves to be earning more than TA imo, both because of performance and of a longer spurs career.

cozzo · Feb 23, 2018

Hengy1 said:
Walker may have 1 “brain fart” every 10 games or so buy was/is a far superior player.

My point is though like the walker situation all I’m seeing is excuse after excuse to try and justify us selling arguably the best CB in the league.

I suppose I was hoping we had changed from the selling club we was in the past but guess not.

Obviously we’ll get the deflection from certain posters though.

Shame

What a load of nonsense. What team doesn't sell its players? Are Liverpool a selling club? Arsenal? Manchester United? When a player wants to leave then I believe that they should be allowed to leave.

Japhet · Feb 23, 2018

In the utterly berserk and obscene world of football wages,150k is not a colossal amount for a player like Toby. On the downside though, he's never going to be worth this much again and we have umpteen players who could easily argue that they're worth as much. If Toby goes, I can see Vertonghen looking at the exit door as well, closely followed by a few others. We should have a new pay structure for next season anyway, so maybe this is where it needs to start.

SEANSPURS1975 · Feb 23, 2018

So as @Trix put a funny against my last post.
Q. So it isn’t about wages?
I would never want any player to stay at our football club who didn’t want to be there.
That goes for anyone.

Hakkz · Feb 23, 2018

I don't think it's about wages either. If it was just about 150k/week and that was the only problem, it would have been solved.

brendanb50 · Feb 23, 2018

I'm sure everyone would like a happy Toby, signing up and playing as he has done these past few seasons. Unfortunately if he doesn't want to play ball, we can't mess around with this deal.

New contract is on the table if there's a change of heart, sure Poch will play him as normal once he's fit and well but if he doesn't (or hasn't) sign by a certain date, it's time to get the offers in. For me (i hope) he goes to the highest bidder abroad and we should get a hefty fee for him, even if his deal is running down.

brendanb50 · Feb 23, 2018

Hakkz said:
I don't think it's about wages either. If it was just about 150k/week and that was the only problem, it would have been solved.

Exactly. Money is just one facet here and with the move to the new stadium the commercials for all top players will be getting a review, so i'm sure we'd have found some wiggle room in due course.

King of Otters · Feb 23, 2018

Trix said:
Not if he doesn't want to be here, disrupts the harmony of the squad, and doesn't play to his best.

Perhaps, but why wouldn't he want to be here? Because we're too stubborn to pay the best players the wages they deserve?

Stop trying to make out that this all somehow beyond our (Levy's) control, it's really not.

Trix · Feb 23, 2018

[email protected] said:
But Trix, surely it's about the REASON he may want to leave; why he's unhappy. If it's because he believes he's not being paid the market rate for a defender of his ability, then you can understand if other players start to think similarly, and question if the club values them. So in that sense, it absolutely sets a "bad precedent". And if our other top players our looking on at the club's reluctance/refusal to pay the best centre back in the league what he's worth, especially at a time when revenues are increasing massively, isn't that just as likely to adversely affect "squad harmony"?

Yes, if it's purely about money.

HildoSpur · Feb 23, 2018

King of Otters said:
Perhaps, but why wouldn't he want to be here? Because we're too stubborn to pay the best players the wages they deserve?

Stop trying to make out that this all somehow beyond our (Levy's) control, it's really not.

It could be out of our control though - maybe he wants to win things? Maybe he thinks he can get one last big move in his career to a top tier club that will win titles and cups? It's not all Levy's fault you know.

rio bryan · Feb 23, 2018

I'm sure we look at the bigger picture when deciding on players wages and perhaps it's the case that if we had of missed him then Spurs would have looked to improve his wages considerably but taking into consideration we haven't missed him a great deal, plus his age, the fact that he hasn't been as good this season as the last few season's and that we will get decent money for him has meant that Spurs are willing to let him go !

thebenjamin · Feb 23, 2018

Levy recently went on record saying we won't lose any players 'who we want to keep' this summer.

So expecting the narrative on Toby to change from 'best centre back in Europe' to 'injury prone, turning 29 with a bad attitude' very soon.

stevenurse · Feb 23, 2018

Trix said:
Why do people think it's only ever a case of throwing money at a problem to make it go away.

Im not saying that. If he's not happy and is adamant he wants to go, or paid an extortionate wage then fair enough, it's better to cash in this summer. Bottom line is however players bang on about trophies, its no coincidence that the teams that win trophies often have the highest wage bill.

We can't obviously be frivolous with the wage budget, and it's there for a reason. If Poch feels he can find a replacement then I trust him. Just a shame that it would end like this.

Trix · Feb 23, 2018

King of Otters said:
Perhaps, but why wouldn't he want to be here? Because we're too stubborn to pay the best players the wages they deserve?

Stop trying to make out that this all somehow beyond our (Levy's) control, it's really not.

Again is this only a money thing? Look at the clubs linked in the press showing interest.... Madrid, PSG and City. Whatever we offer if he goes to one of those, he gets more money and wins more trophies.

mattyspurs · Feb 23, 2018

King of Otters said:
Perhaps, but why wouldn't he want to be here? Because we're too stubborn to pay the best players the wages they deserve?

Stop trying to make out that this all somehow beyond our (Levy's) control, it's really not.

How do you know that we won't? A lot of the ITK in Jan was about us seriously upgrading our players wages and the wage ceiling to go up in a big way?

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