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mawspurs

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According to the Times, the 28-year-old's demands of £150K-a-week during recent contract talks has not been greatly received by Spurs, it's understood that they don't want to go over £110K-a-week.

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Jenko

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I'm afraid 150k a week is probably the minimum going rate for a defender of his class. If you look back on the last few years from Toby's point of view, he will be thinking he's been underpaid all that time so i can understand him thinking enough is enough.

Its a problem for the club that's not going to go away. But there are no mercenary players at Tottenham so any talk like that would be silly. Danny Rose the same (except he's taking some flak for going public with it).

Spurs have major decisions coming about how they are going to sustain playing at this higher level. The previous model won't work at this level in a new stadium. I suspect Levy's stubbornness, that has served the club very well at times, will hold out a bit longer and those players will be sold. I also suspect that this has been expected for a couple of seasons now and that is why we bought DS and Foyth and are looking at Ryan Ses. Keeping Jan will be another hurdle afterwards but that story has slipped below the radar so far.

The big indicator for me after that will be Kanes contract. The wheels fall off this project without him (and CE). What are spurs willing to pay to keep that from happening?
 

Spurslove

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According to the Times, the 28-year-old's demands of £150K-a-week during recent contract talks has not been greatly received by Spurs, it's understood that they don't want to go over £110K-a-week.

Read the full article at Football London

I say give it to him, but from next season when we'll be playing in our new stadium and when our revenue streams are much higher than they are at the moment.

In fact all our key players should be given significant wage rises to keep in line with other top clubs as much as possible. I'm not talking about all our players, just those who we feel are absolutely key to our development as genuine title contenders.

I'm sure I'm not alone when I say how angry and frustrated I feel when pundits keep raising the issue of pay, and how we are comparative cheapskates. By doing so, they are labelling our players as lacking ambition, which we all know is bollocks, but the players hear the same thing every day too and it must have an effect on them.

If we really are to be considered as serious contenders for the Premiership title in the next few years, this is one of the main issues which really does need to be sorted out ASAP and of course, we do need to win some silverware, if only to shut up all those 'experts' who tell us every day that's what we need to do to keep our payers.
 

davidmatzdorf

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The usual Levy-fix for this kind of situation is a contract with a moderate basic salary and a broad, generous package of achievement-based incentives, based on such factors as club appearances, trophies, league position and international selection.

It would not surprise me if this turns out to be the face-saving solution again for both sides. Alderweireld does not strike me as the type who needs to brag about a number, but just wants to be remunerated as he feels is appropriate to his level of achievement.
 

double0

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When you hear stories of some Chelski youth players on 35 to 50k a week you can understand valued established senior pros demanding parity. The market field wage is going to be a testing factor for Tottenham moving forward. Alderweireld Vertonghen Dembele Eriksen Kane Lamela Alli Lloris Rose Son should all be on market value ..?


Whatever that is.
 

Dougal

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We’re at an important stage of our progress. Building a new stadium so we can compete but we are competing before it opens. Extra investment now means we go in there stronger or we gamble that we can remain as strong while changing some of our top players. I’m all for a good business model but if you are expanding the business in football you need to expand the wage structure a bit more than you’d probably like because the business can still be affected by the roll of a ball as much as the figures on a balance sheet.
 

Lilbaz

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I say give it to him, but from next season when we'll be playing in our new stadium and when our revenue streams are much higher than they are at the moment.

In fact all our key players should be given significant wage rises to keep in line with other top clubs as much as possible. I'm not talking about all our players, just those who we feel are absolutely key to our development as genuine title contenders.

I'm sure I'm not alone when I say how angry and frustrated I feel when pundits keep raising the issue of pay, and how we are comparative cheapskates. By doing so, they are labelling our players as lacking ambition, which we all know is bollocks, but the players hear the same thing every day too and it must have an effect on them.

If we really are to be considered as serious contenders for the Premiership title in the next few years, this is one of the main issues which really does need to be sorted out ASAP and of course, we do need to win some silverware, if only to shut up all those 'experts' who tell us every day that's what we need to do to keep our payers.

To put it into perspective he is asking for more than anyone paid at bayern, including lewandowski.

What we are offering is more than kompany, cahill, stones, luiz earn. More than utd's defenders.
 
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Disconosebleed

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To put it into perspective he is asking for more than anyone paid at bayern, including lewandowski.

To put it into another perspective, there are probably only four or five players on this list of the best-paid players in the Prem (Aguero, De Bruyne, Hazard, De Gea, arguably Silva) who are as important, or as good, as Alderweireld.

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But none of these perspectives are particularly important - the only thing that is important is answering the question "could Alderweireld earn significantly more if he moved?". The answer is yes, and the consequence of that is that we need to pay him what he's worth or lose him.
 

Lilbaz

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To put it into another perspective, there are probably only four or five players on this list of the best-paid players in the Prem (Aguero, De Bruyne, Hazard, De Gea, arguably Silva) who are as important, or as good, as Alderweireld.

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But none of these perspectives are particularly important - the only thing that is important is answering the question "could Alderweireld earn significantly more if he moved?". The answer is yes, and the consequence of that is that we need to pay him what he's worth or lose him.

How do you define more important? It's not like we haven't been doing well without him.
£110k is a very good wage.

I would love it if we could afford to match the wages of utd and city but we can't so may need to sell if he doesn't agree.

I will be disappointed.
 

Disconosebleed

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£110k is a very good wage for you or me. £110k is not a good wage if your peers, who you were outperforming, are getting paid significantly more. It's unreasonable to expect footballers to see their lives in the context of the average person, because that's not the life they live in - and even with the money they earn, there's always something better that's just out of reach. For you and me it might be a two-bedroom house instead of a one-bedroom flat, for them it might be replacing the gold on the bottom of their swimming pool with diamonds - there's still always something to chase after, and everyone should feel entitled to be paid what they're worth.

We're doing brilliantly without him, but let's be realistic here - he is a huge part of the reason why we are such a good team, and he would be a big loss if he went. It seems like he might be on his way out, and people are starting to reframe the discussion to make it seem like he won't be missed...he will, massively.

You're right about selling him if he won't agree a new deal, and that's where we are at the moment - we offer him a deal, he considers it in the context of what he can get elsewhere, and either stays or goes. Either way we are in a decent position because of Levy's stranglehold on contracts - if he goes we'll get a big fee because he's got a couple of years left on his contract, and if he stays we'll retain a great player. If he is going to leave, hopefully we can push him towards a top European club rather than losing him to City.
 

ginola007

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There is a difference between what is demanded and what will be accepted. If Alderweireld demands 150M, expect a compromise of 130M plus healthy bonuses. Otherwise he will be off.
 

Lilbaz

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We work a deal out and Verts is 30, he certainly can't command those kind of wages.

Toby is 29 next week.

I think we are trying to work deals out but toby wants more than we are willing to offer.
 

Mullers

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Toby is 29 next week.

I think we are trying to work deals out but toby wants more than we are willing to offer.
Verts is 31 in April. It's worth paying Toby what he wants because it will be really difficult to find someone of his quality at an affordable fee.
 

Lilbaz

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Verts is 31 in April. It's worth paying Toby what he wants because it will be really difficult to find someone of his quality at an affordable fee.

What about the other players that want improved contracts? We can't give them all what they want as we don't have the money.
What toby is asking for is more than any player at juventus or bayern, it isn't chicken feed.

At the end of the day there are people at spurs that decide what we can and can't afford to pay. I'll trust them. Even if it means we have to sell toby.
 

ostrov

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I love Toby but if we lose him it won't be the end of the world for Spurs. We've been playing well without him recently.
 

mawspurs

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What about the other players that want improved contracts? We can't give them all what they want as we don't have the money.
What toby is asking for is more than any player at juventus or bayern, it isn't chicken feed.

At the end of the day there are people at spurs that decide what we can and can't afford to pay. I'll trust them. Even if it means we have to sell toby.

I think the problem is Toby will be comparing his wages to that of other Premier League players rather than those of other leagues. I agree with what you are saying but i doubt Toby sees it that way.

We have had a massive increase in match day income due to playing at Wembley and will also get see an increase, although possibly less so, when moving into the new stadium. So i think Levy needs to look at raising the wage limit. Having said that though all contract negotiations will have to end in a compromise and hopefully that will be the case here and we can keep Toby.
 
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